Wednesday, April 7, 2010

Arpaio Announces Yet Another Crime Sweep

Sheriff Joe Arpaio will be sending his deputies and posse members out for their 15th crime sweep at some point next week. Though Arpaio has not said exactly where the crime sweep will take place, he said it will take place in a high-crime area.

On Tuesday, a blog for the Phoenix New Times pointed readers toward a video of an appearance by Arpaio, Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox and Ariz. Sen. Russell Pearce on Geraldo Rivera's show in late March:

Labels: crime-suppression sweep, geraldo rivera, mary rose wilcox, new times, posse, russell pearce

232 Comments:

Anonymous said...: Wilcox one of the corrupt who needs to be in jail. If you anti Joes are checking out video, try to listen to what is said if your capable. You go Joe!!!!!! The feds are all over this, since transformation of our country.; April 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe has & is abiding by the law, where as the abuse, & don't follow the law is comming out yours truly, Washington.; April 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Lawn Order said...: Wilcox has had her charges dismissed, likewise the many many charges against Stapely- TWICE (a huge waste of tax dollars by your favorite Sheriff). Joe Arpaio hasn't been charged yet, and the investigation is ongoing. So that tells me there's lots of dirt to dig up. The Justice Dept. is interviewing employees of the County Attorney's office now. More tax dollars wasted during a recession.

So you are Washington- "yours truly" means "me" or "myself", you are the source of ALL the corruption. Wow, and you haven't even finished grade school English. That's quite an accomplishment and we are all duly impressed.

Yours truly.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 7, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Anonymous said...: WHEN NOT IF the Justice Department and the Grand Jury rule against Arpaio and find that he has in fact racial profiled and has commited gross abuse of power ....WILL HE ARREST HIMSELF AND THROW HIMSELF IN TENT CITY .....PINK UNDIES AND ALL ????????????; April 7, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Anonymous said...: What exactally does a suspected illegal look like here in Arizona? I am just curious.; April 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe is confident, experienced, trustworthy. You sure can't say that about Washington! Wilcox is guilty like the rest of these libs, they just lie, hide, untrustworthy. That goes for our corrupt legal system, the libs that are running that corrupt show. We have spoke many times voting for Joe, we who voted for you thank you for honest to good job.; April 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Anonymous said...: The main problem with this country are people like you who blame everything on the imaginary liberals and let Apraio run unchecked abusing his power. Joe's days in office are numbered thank god. He will soon be removed by the feds. Arizona will be better off without him. The country will also be a better place when your ignorant generation finally dies off.; April 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Boy are you lost, believe in corruption out of Washington! No hope for you, only ignorance.; April 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Anonymous said...: It's called deaf, dumb & blind to your surroundings in america! Marx destruction, Many people are angry & will be rid our country of corruption, Joe is a keeper, a great leader!; April 7, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Wilcox is guilty like the rest of these libs" Maybe- but where's her conviction? If you're right and she is guilty of the charges, then your hero (Arpaio) is where the blame lies.

To generalize and say a whole class of politicians is guilty is grossly ridiculous. It is a fallacy of generalization and nobody with a brain is going to believe it. Now, if you were to say that almost all politicians are guilty of some sort of corruption or malfeasance- you might have more people agree (even though it too is a generalization).

Joe Arpaio is nothing more than a politician with a badge. That makes him far more dangerous than the usual pol. He is self-serving and self-convicting- you'll see.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 7, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: This sherrif does not understand (and by his own admission has not read) the Constitution of the United States of America. The result is that he violates the civil rights on innocent people awaiting trial (innocent til proven guilty ????here in USA????) in his hideous tent torture trap. He also has grossly abused his position by selective enforcement of the law, and he is the only sherrif in the USA that ICE has disbarred from enforcing 278G the immigration legislation. His own corrupt dealing have been largely ignored while he and the idiotic Andrew Thomas go on a personal vendetta against their enemies both political and personal. This man survives on the ignorance of Arizona's white uneducated hicks.; April 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Nice to back up your stupid deputy when he shows flagrant contempt of court! And how bout all those who called in sick to show support for their crony while thumbing their noses at the courts, judicial process and Judge Donahoe. Uphold the law is rule number one, joe. You obviously have a different agenda.; April 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...

Wilcox has had her charges dismissed, likewise the many many charges against Stapely- TWICE (a huge waste of tax dollars by your favorite Sheriff). Joe Arpaio hasn't been charged yet, and the investigation is ongoing. So that tells me there's lots of dirt to dig up. The Justice Dept. is interviewing employees of the County Attorney's office now. More tax dollars wasted during a recession.

:It tells me they keep on digging but can't find any dirt yet, you moron. If you dig deep enough, long enough, you're bound to find what some people would consider dirt, on ANYBODY!! Jesus Christ wasn't even that clean. It's all the senseless digging that's a waste of tax payer dollars. I suppose if they came up with an unpaid parking ticket on Arpaio, a moron like you would say Ah-ha I told you so!! J.W. Simms.; April 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 7, 2010 at 7:08 PM
Anonymous said...: If there is anybody! in this blog who thinks these two twits (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are for real, all I can say is, you’ve got to be kidding me. These two dimwits are just amusing themselves, they go from blog to blog posting crap about sheriff Arpaio and Andrew Thomas, that they couldn’t care less about. They do this because they know that the majority of the people are for the sheriff and county attorney. If they thought that the majority of the people were against the sheriff and Andy, then they would post things in support of them, this is what they do. They do this for entertainment, I guess they’re tired of computer porn and there’s really nothing on TV” They do this simply to see what kind of response they can get from other people and then laugh about it. In internet language” people like (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are referred to as “Trolls” because that’s what they do, they “Troll” through the internet blog’s and forums seeking out emotionally charged people who feel passionate about the faith they have in their law enforcement officials, namely sheriff Arpaio and county attorney Thomas, one! Of whom they have elected numerous times because of that faith. When these two twits find the people they’re “Trolling” for, they will mock them, make fun of them, laugh at them and try to drive them from the blog, just for fun, because that’s what a “Troll” does, just for fun!!.

These are (Lawn Orders) own words “Hi Liz,Thanks for the warm welcome. "Let's rock like we did on the other boards. I would suggest that the next time you read a post from these two, ask yourself, can these two idiot’s be for real??; April 7, 2010 at 7:43 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...

"Wilcox is guilty like the rest of these libs" Maybe- but where's her conviction? If you're right and she is guilty of the charges, then your hero (Arpaio) is where the blame lies.

:I have to say, your posts make less sense every time you make a post. If Wilcox is guilty of the charges, Arpaio is to blame? did Arpaio coerce fat Rosy into committing a crime? what the f---k you talking about. J.W. Simms.; April 7, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Anonymous said...: There should be more sheriff's like Joe,to many bleeding hearts in this country,Gerchpa; April 7, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Anonymous said...: We need fewer people like Arpaio in office. There is no shortage of hateful old useless people in this country. We need new blood in political office these days. We need new ideas.; April 7, 2010 at 9:35 PM
RealnewsJunkie said...: "a High Crime Area"?

So they are doing a sweep in the MCSO offices in Wells Fargo and Hendershott's soon to be foreclosed house?; April 7, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Lawn Order said...: Sorry Slick, this is the only non work-related blog that I post upon. So your theories are based on what again? The ad-hominem attacks against blog posters aren't going to answer the charges against Arpaio and his cohorts. Plus they are unfounded and utterly ridiculous.

Now do you think that you can address the charges against Joe Arpaio and that crowd or just make stuff up about other posters. If you see a factual or logical error in any of my posts- why not point that out with factual evidence to back it up? That's what I do and it's driving Joe's supporters here nuts because all they have is spin and publicity stunts. That won't help the (current) Sheriff in a court of law.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 7, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Lawn Order said...: Simms my point is Arpaio did the "investigation" of Wilcox. If she's guilty and the evidence is insufficient to support a conviction- the blame falls to the agency that did the investigation. That would be Arpaio's MCSO, would it not? Is that easy enough to understand?

Next straw man, please??? This is not that challenging, but sort-of fun. Maybe some people will begin to realize that their unbridled faith in Arpaio is based on nothing more than his own political marketing and propaganda.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Lawn Order said...: Simms- if you have to resort to childish name-calling (and profanity), you really don't have much of a point, and no self-control. And anyone with thinking ability can easily evaluate that desperate tactic for themselves. I have been very gracious in responding to your nonsense, but I think it's a waste of my time. So I don't think I will bother doing that anymore. You will, I am sure, interpret this in a way that boosts your ego. Wrong. The facts about Arpaio are easily available, just as much so as his own propaganda. So deal with it.

Ask him if he wants your help and get back to us will ya'?

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 7, 2010 at 10:22 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: I find it somewhat sad that you "Lawn Order, have to continuously persist in trying to convince other people that you have even a semblance of credibility by using this ridiculous post script,( Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle). when in fact you do not! J.W. Simms.; April 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM
Anonymous said...: The only ratings channel five is getting, is from the polititcal attention from the radical left, of Washington! Funny how they keep Joe on front page! Just like some of you only like reading the fabrication of Washington. Look into the character of George Sorros, all of obama's communists that work with him, Andy Stern, Acorn.......Figure that out! Joe's character is far more respectable in many ways!!!!!!! Ignorance does'nt work!; April 8, 2010 at 9:50 AM
Anonymous said...: The sheriff is a joke! He needs to go!; April 8, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Lawn Order said...: Simms- I agree with you that it's sad I have to use that ridiculous post script. But it's because of YOU trying to dupe people by posting using my exact handle or a version of it. You, Simms, mis-represented my views. Your tactics are desperate, your evidence weak to non-existent. So you resorted to fraud.

Look it comes down to this: I have studied Arpaio, and what has been reported by the same media he loves to use to woo voters. I have read well-researched and fact-checked reports available from the Goldwater Institute and elsewhere. I have reached the conclusion that an elected law enforcement official (Sheriff Joe Arpaio) is abusing is office and wasting the taxpayers money for the aggrandizement of his own ego. He also in my opinion does that to continue to fool a significant proportion of the voters of Maricopa County into thinking he's tough on crime. The numbers don't lie. It's one of the reasons he's been faulted for his exceptional clearance rate, and why so many crimes go unsolved and virtually un-investigated (MUCH higher than agencies of comparable size). He's been sued and lost over abuse cases, he has sued others at taxpayer expense and lost, he has lost his right to enforce federal immigration laws (name another agency that has had that happen due to abuse allegations or any reason). I can go on and on and on (or he can unless he's stopped)- but you get the point.

You can fault me for not reading his books, but he hasn't read the latest one by his own admission. I have seen and read plenty of interviews with him to know his views on many matters.

My conclusion based on all of the evidence I have seen: Joe Arpaio is a terrible Sheriff, but a very effective politician. That's why his supporters, such as you Simms, resort to logical fallacies in order to defend him. There's not much evidence that he is what he claims to be. So you attack those who post the facts about him. You try to dupe others by posting as those people, misrepresenting their views. It doesn't work. As I said from the first time I posted- the truth will out.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Lawn Order said...: "Ignorance does'nt work!" Really? And yet you continue down that path. Soros is your latest straw man? This thread is about Arpaio. Now you are less ignorant. You're welcome.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: I wish we had a Sheriff Joe in every state in America!; April 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Lawn Order said...: "I wish we had a Sheriff Joe in every state in America!"? He's a County Sheriff- NOT a state Sheriff. How do you think the other county Sheriffs in AZ view Joe. Not well, nor with the respect that they give most of their peers. You can search for the information as I have.

Now, why do you think that is? Joe must make some incredible political Kool-Aid! He has lots of people duped (as do many if not most other politicians).

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Tired of whiners said...: Absolutely I like Joe! Support for keeping a budget low? Absolutely! Popular?Hardly, esp. if you hold someone accountable for breaking the law instead of playing patty cake with stereo types. I don't care what nationality, crime is crime. In a couple of years when the gov. plans new taxes to pay for all their new programs, where are you going to get the money from your pocket to pay for it all? The prisons are full and expensive, they are not free and life is not easy there but for other people outside of prison?.. freedom, yes, free support and easy? NO. There was a joke that if you broke the law and went to jail you could get a good meal, free healthcare, a new gym, and a warm bed. (sad for a joke, I know). What happens when the government cannot fund the prisons, do they downsize? Like they want to downsize our police forces? Let's see, less police protection, more criminals on the streets vs Joe keeping a tight budget and kicking ass where crime exists. HA!
So.. do I support Joe? You bet ya. Is he stepping on toes? I DON'T CARE!; April 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Tired of whiners" your goals are indeed lofty and mostly for the public good. But where's the evidence that Arpaio actually accomplished them? Why don't we see that posted, only evidence that shows what poor performance he and his MCSO are actually producing, and the dollars they are wasting to promote his political agenda. People are being deprived of proper law enforcement by him. Please do some serious research, then post your findings (with links, or attribution to your sources) here.

Here are some things about his use of your money to make himself look good to the public:

"Footage from the show indicates that a slew of Sheriff's Office personnel were used," writes Ruelas [an AZ Republic columnist] in Sunday's paper. "Records show that the Sheriff's Office gave producers lists of undercover deputies, about a dozen in each episode, who needed to have their faces fuzzed out before the shows aired."

Ruelas continues: "But the Sheriff's Office said it could not say how many sworn deputies worked during the three long production days during August 2007."

"`I couldn't even guess,'" Ruelas quotes MCSO civil division Commander Larry Farnsworth as stating.

That's about the same line I got after I submitted a public records request asking for the names of MCSO employees who worked the show, their hourly rates, and the hours they were paid for.

A Lt. D. Culhane with the "Compliance Division" of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office informed me,

"No records were maintained by the Media Relations Office of the individual employees that participated in this public service and compensation of office personnel was at the rate consistent with the hours that the individual employee worked."

Of course, this is colossal diaper-load. You're telling me the MCSO brass doesn't know where its deputies are on any given day? We're talking about a paramilitary organization here, one that has to pay salaries. How then did MCSO muck-a-mucks know how much to pay their deputies, who were on the clock when they worked the Fox Reality show detail?

And here's something about former CA Thomas, from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Thomas_%28prosecutor%29#Self-aggrandizement :

Thomas spent taxpayer funds to have 600,000 copies of a 44-page "Road Map to Crime Prevention" printed, and 346,000 copies inserted into two of Maricopa County’s major daily newspapers. His name was on the front cover, and a color portrait of him was included on the first page.[13][14]

"Since taking office... Thomas has spent nearly $2.5 million recovered from racketeering cases on various forms of media, including public service announcements and billboards — all featuring his name or photo." The PSAs and billboards promote drug prevention, address truancy, and advertise websites countering driving under the influence.

I don't think there's anyone posting here that doesn't want very effective, and cost-effective law enforcement. But the PR stunts (many of them expensive to the County taxpayers) that Joe uses only give the appearance of that. The reality is far different. He's wasting at least tens of millions of your tax dollars. You can easily research that. And a huge majority of the crimes his office is supposed to investigate are not investigated (see "exceptional clearance"). So victims never get their day in court and criminals are not apprehended, and left in the public to commit more offenses.

There are a few who will promote Arpaio no matter what he does. Most, I hope, would rather have an effective and trustworthy Sheriff who will do his whole job.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM
tired of whiners said...: To Lawn Order, since you have all the answers and all the time in the world to blog, you should go work for Joe and fix all the problems you see. Action is mighter than spouting words.; April 8, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Lawn Order said...: "tired of whiners" thanks for the compliment. I don't have all the answers though- but I haven't seen any whatosoever from Joe's cheerleaders, just lots of propaganda, spin, and opinion with no facts to back them. And lots of name calling, fallacies, etc.

I don't have that much time (wish I did), but I know how to type pretty fast. I simply want someone in office who actually does all that Joe claims and has convinced so many that he does. More importantly, someone with the professionalism to not abuse his authority, and more of a desire to serve others than himself. Joe is a politician (in the very worst sense) with a badge. That is a very bad combination.

Joe has heard all of this before, it's up to him to fix the problems and be the Sheriff that he claims to be. Nobody else can make that happen.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Lawn Order said...: Joe Arpaio was just on HLN promoting the pedal power program. He said something with which I completely agree in principle: "Parents should install these in their homes so their kids need to pedal to watch TV or play their video games." That might not be a perfect quote of exactly what he said word-for-word, but it's basically correct.

It might be cost prohibitive for some, but it would help with a looming problem: Childhood obesity, which has lots of costs to society, but more importantly results in needless suffering, usually later in life. There's lots of data on the health problems caused by childhood obesity.

So on this one, I am with Joe. But I think it's odd that a county Sheriff would seek so much publicity.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Anonymous said...: If Arpaio and his thugs don't like complaints then they should move to another country where complaints are not allowed like say China or Russia. Until then they can either change their ways and become a real law enforcement agency or STFU.; April 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Lawn Order said...: "If Arpaio and his thugs don't like complaints then they should move to another country where complaints are not allowed...." That's a good point- but it seems he's trying to change the way things are done here, so he doesn't have to go to the trouble of moving (or making a solid legal case against those whom he chooses to persecute). And people are supporting him, and then complaining about the government trying to take over our lives. Makes no sense...

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 4:39 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 8, 2010 at 5:40 PM
Lawn Order said...: From Fox 10: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/arpaio_county_jails_040810
Judge: Arpaio, County Failed to Improve Jails

Updated: Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 12:54 PM MDT
Published : Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 12:54 PM MDT

PHOENIX - A judge rules that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Maricopa County have failed to improve conditions inside county jails, specifically medical and mental health conditions.

A U.S. District Court judge rules a report found "significant areas of failure to comply."

Back in 2008, the same judge ruled that jail conditions did not meet Constitutional standards in certain areas.
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Of course, Arpaio admits he's not too familiar with the Constitution. He relies on legal people for that. They have let him down- like he cares. He and they have let those of us who pay taxes down. Very impressive.

Let's see some of Arpaio's cheerleaders present evidence (not moronic opinion) that the judge is wrong. Let's see 60 degree (F) days in Phoenix in August.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 8, 2010 at 9:13 PM
Anonymous said...: If there is anybody! in this blog who thinks these two twits (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are for real, all I can say is, you’ve got to be kidding me. These two dimwits are just amusing themselves, they go from blog to blog posting crap about sheriff Arpaio and Andrew Thomas, that they couldn’t care less about. They do this because they know that the majority of the people are for the sheriff and county attorney. If they thought that the majority of the people were against the sheriff and Andy, then they would post things in support of them, this is what they do. They do this for entertainment, I guess they’re tired of computer porn and there’s really nothing on TV” They do this simply to see what kind of response they can get from other people and then laugh about it. In internet language” people like (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are referred to as “Trolls” because that’s what they do, they “Troll” through the internet blog’s and forums seeking out emotionally charged people who feel passionate about the faith they have in their law enforcement officials, namely sheriff Arpaio and county attorney Thomas, one! Of whom they have elected numerous times because of that faith. When these two twits find the people they’re “Trolling” for, they will mock them, make fun of them, laugh at them and try to drive them from the blog, just for fun, because that’s what a “Troll” does, just for fun!!.

These are (Lawn Orders) own words “Hi Liz,Thanks for the warm welcome. "Let's rock like we did on the other boards. I would suggest that the next time you read a post from these two, ask yourself, can these two idiot’s be for real??; April 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM
Liz F- North Phoenix said...: I don't know why everyone is so upset by Joe Arpaio. Don't we want a law enforcement agent who enforces the law? He is popular because he does what is right not what is "politically correct". People should not be upset if they break laws and get caught for breaking them. Leave the emotion at the door. Do the right things in life and you will reap the rewards. Do the wrong things and you suffer the consequences.

We learn though our struggles and challenges to become better people. If people want to immigrate without proper documentation, they know the risk they are taking and they know what they are doing is wrong. We should not change laws just because a lot of people were breaking that law. If enough people rob a bank should we say that it is no longer illegal, even if the bank robber really needs the money? Such selfish actions hurt not only the person who is doing something wrong by compromising their integrity, but also hurt all those who have a stake in the bank or in the case with illegal immigration, taxpayers.

It is very weak to call someone a racist just because he enforces laws. One can truly understand the benefits of diversity and respect other cultures without having to compromise our national set of laws. Legal immigration is the answer my friends! It is unfair to every person who immigrated to this country legally to give illegal immigrants the same rights for knowingly trying to take advantage of the system.; April 8, 2010 at 10:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I can't believe people actually have voted for scum like Apraio in the past. I am sure next election will be different!; April 8, 2010 at 11:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: So somebody is now impersonating Liz F and mis-representing her views? She usually posted news items, or other reliable information. The latest post has just the opinions of Joe's idolaters. That indicates that Arpaio's supporters are indeed desperate.

Look- if the only way he can stay in power is to dupe people- there's really a problem. You expect honesty and trustworthiness from the Sheriff. His supporters and employees should have similarly high ethical standards. But somebody thinks that fraud is a good tactic.

These are the same fools that keep telling the rest of us who are educated and informed to wake up. Take your own advice.

I don't think Liz posts here anymore because this blog has become a wasteland of fraud and abuse. Maybe she has the right idea and only Arpaio's devotees should post their baloney. Those who read it and are awake will recognize it for the propaganda it is! They are a good reflection of the Sheriff and his "values".

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 9, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Lawn Order said...: Also- to the liar who attributed the words "Let's rock like we did on the other boards." What is the date and time of that post that I never made?

This is the only non-work related board that I post on. You should start a (dis)organization called "Liars for Arpaio". That pretty well sums up what I see from most of his supporters. And more than a little ignorance of his record.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Washington has got you brainswashed in believing B.S. about Joe, he is very confident in doing his job & in doing it to the best of his ability. It's when people start listening to lies & jumping on the bandwagon that try to interfere with a state's sherriff with a great track record try to abuse their power to make Joe look bad. Joe follows law, does not abuse. He respects the laws, whereas Washington does not, that is not good. If you have any clue to what Washington is up to, you just might be able to get it! He definitly is doing alot more than Washington in protecting Az.; April 9, 2010 at 8:13 AM
Anonymous said...: I WISH EVERY STATE HAD A SHERRIFF LIKE JOE ARPAIO. HE WOULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ARIZONA. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHERS , ONE BIG ONE IS I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA. I LIVED IN IDAHO BUT TOO COLD TO MOVE BACK. ARIZONA IS GETTING MORE FREEDOM THAN MOST STATES ARE , I JUST HOPE YOU ALL KNOW THAT . SOMETIMES IF YOU LIVE TOO CLOSE YOU DON'T SEE WHAT YOU HAVE.; April 9, 2010 at 9:11 AM
Anonymous said...: The only brainwashed people posting here are lying Apraio supporters. Onen your eyes to the monster that is Joe Apraio! He is just a self serving politician and an ego maniac! He will be removed soon for the good of Arizona!; April 9, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Lawn Order said...: Washington has got you brainswashed in believing B.S. about Joe" Really, now- and which of us backs opinion with facts? That's right- it's those who know that Joe is doing a poor job and needs to be replaced. So who is brainwashed and by whom?

Here are some excerpts from the wikipedia article on Joe Arpaio (and not, by the way, from the Federal Government). Or is Wikipedia part of the evil brainwashers controlled by the Feds? Take your meds and go to bed.

Under Arpaio, the Maricopa County Jails have lost accreditation multiple times.[52] In September, 2008, the National Commission on Correctional Health Care terminated the accreditation of all Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails for failure to maintain compliance with national standards, and providing false information about such compliance.[53][54][55] In October, 2008, a U.S. district court judge ruled that the grossly inadequate conditions at the Maricopa County Jail, overseen by Arpaio, are unconstitutional and jeopardize the health and safety of prisoners.[56]

Deaths in Arpaio's jails
Charles Agster

In August 2001, Charles Agster, a 33-year-old mentally handicapped man, died in the county jail three days after being forced by sheriff's officers into a restraint chair used for controlling combative arrestees. Agster's parents had been taking him to a psychiatric hospital because he was exhibiting paranoia, then called police when he refused to leave a convenience store where they had stopped enroute. Officers took Agster to the Madison Street jail, placed a "spit hood" over his face and strapped him to the chair, where he had an apparent seizure and lost consciousness. He was declared brain dead three days later. A medical examiner later concluded that Agster died of complications of methamphetamine intoxication. In a subsequent lawsuit, an attorney for the sheriff's office described the amount of methamphetamine in Agster's system as 17 times the known lethal dose. The lawsuit resulted in a $9 million jury verdict against the county, the sheriff's office, and Correctional Health Services.[62]

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here's more- I ran out of space on the last post:

Scott Norberg

One major controversy includes the 1996 death of inmate Scott Norberg, a former Brigham Young University football wide receiver, who died while in custody of the Sheriff's office.[63] Norberg was arrested for assaulting a police officer in Mesa, Arizona, after neighbors in a residential area had reported a delirious man walking in their neighborhood.[64] Arpaio's office repeatedly claimed Norberg was also high on methamphetamine, but a blood toxicology performed post-mortem was inconclusive. According to a toxological report, Norberg did have methamphetamine in his urine, though "there would be no direct effect caused by the methamphetamine on Norberg's behavior at the time of the incident".[65] During his internment, evidence suggests detention officers shocked Norberg several times with a stun-gun. According to an investigation by Amnesty International, Norberg was already handcuffed and face down when officers dragged him from his cell and placed him in a restraint chair with a towel covering his face. After Norberg's corpse was discovered, detention officers accused Norberg of attacking them as they were trying to restrain him. The cause of his death, according to the Maricopa County medical examiner, was due to "positional asphyxia". Sheriff Arpaio investigated and subsequently cleared detention officers of any criminal wrongdoing.[66]

Norberg’s parents filed a lawsuit against Arpaio and his office. The lawsuit was settled for $8.25 million (USD).[67]
Brian Crenshaw

Brian Crenshaw was a legally blind and mentally disabled inmate who suffered fatal injuries while being held in Maricopa County Jail for shoplifting. The injuries that led to his death were initially blamed on a fall from his bunk but were later discovered to have been the result of a brutal beating by jail guards on March 7, 2003.[citation needed] A lawsuit filed in the Maricopa County Superior Court of Arizona by the lawyer for Crenshaw's family stated:

An external examination report of the Maricopa County Medical Examiners Office concluded that Brian's death was caused by "complications of blunt force trauma due to a fall." This conclusion was reached largely on the [Maricopa County Sheriffs Office]'s relation of their "history" of Brian's injuries to the Medical Examiner's Office; a history that included the MCSO's implausible story that all of Brian's injuries were caused by a fall from his cell bed. The Maricopa County Medical Examiner conducted no autopsy; nor was the Maricopa County Medical Examiner informed by MCSO or [the Correctional Health Services] about Brian's beating on March 7, 2003 and/or related events. An independent autopsy report later narrowed the cause of Brian's death to peritonitis and sepsis secondary to the duodenal perforation. A fall from Brian's 4-foot, 2 inch bunk could not have simultaneously caused a broken neck, broken toes, and a duodenal perforation.[68]

The lawsuit against Arpaio and his office resulted in an award of $2 million.[69] As in the Scott Norberg case, it was alleged that Arpaio's office destroyed evidence in the case. In the Crenshaw case, the attorney who represented the case before a jury alleged digital video evidence was destroyed.[70]
Richard Post

Richard Post was a paraplegic inmate arrested in 1996 for possession of marijuana and criminal trespass. Post was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured. Because of his injuries, Post has lost much of the use of his arms.[71] Post settled his claims against the Sheriff's office for $800,000.[72]

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Lawn Order said...: And here's more (FACTS):

Conflicts with local news media

In July 2004, the Phoenix New Times published Arpaio's home address in the context of a story about his real estate dealings. In October, 2007, a Maricopa County special prosecutor served Village Voice Media, the Phoenix New Times' corporate parent, with a subpoena ordering it to produce "all documents" related to the original real estate article, as well as the IP addresses of all visitors to the Phoenix New Times website since January 1, 2004. The Phoenix New Times then published the contents of the subpoena on October 18.[73] Phoenix New Times editors Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin were arrested and jailed by Maricopa Sheriff's Deputies on misdemeanor charges of revealing grand jury secrets after the publication of the subpoena.[74] On the following day, the county attorney dropped the case and fired the special prosecutor.[75][76]

On November 28, 2007, it was ruled that the subpoenas were not validly issued [77] and in April 2008, the New Times editors filed suit against Arpaio, County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Special Prosecutor Dennis Wilenchik.[78]

In 2009, the East Valley Tribune ran a series of articles that criticized the Maricopa County sheriff for a decline in normal police protection due to an increased focus towards arresting illegal immigrants.[79] The five-part series titled “Reasonable Doubt,” which received a Pulitzer Prize for local reporting, described "slow emergency response times and lax criminal enforcement." [80]

On December 23, 2009, the Arizona Republic published an editorial titled “The Conspiracy that won’t stop.” The Editorial Board referenced a published letter written by The Yavapai County Attorney, Sheila Polk, titled “Arpaio, Thomas are abusing power” ”[81] in which Polk was critical of Arpaio. The Editorial Board claimed that “As a result of stepping forward, Polk now may join the fast-growing list of Arizona public officials forced to defend themselves against criminal investigations for the "crime" of having upset Arpaio and Thomas.”[82]
Critical organizations

Arpaio's practices have been criticized by organizations such as Amnesty International,[59] the American Civil Liberties Union, the Arizona Ecumenical Council, the American Jewish Committee,[83] and the Arizona chapter of the Anti-Defamation League.[84] The editorial board of The New York Times called Arpaio "America's Worst Sheriff".[85]

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here are yet more (FACTS):

Improper clearance of MCSO cases

New reports show that, under Arpaio, the MCSO may be improperly clearing as many as 75% of cases without arrest or proper investigation.[39][40][41] The sheriff's office has failed to properly investigate serious crimes, icluding the rape of a 14 year old girl by classmates,[42][43] the rape of a 15 year old girl by two strangers,[44][45] and the rape of a 13 year old girl by her father.[44][46] These cases were "exceptionally cleared" without investigation or even identifying a suspect in one case which are not in accordance with the FBI standards for exceptional clearance.[44][47] The case of the 15 year old girl, the case was closed within one month and before DNA testing was even complete, the 13 year old's because her mother didn't want to "to pursue this investigation," and the 14 year old's because a suspect declined to come in for questioning.[42][44] In a statement to ABC15, the Sheriff's Office claimed, "The Goldwater Institute’s report cites the FBI’s Uniform Code Reporting handbook, which is a voluntary crime-reporting program to compile statistical information and reports. The UCR is not intended for oversight on how law enforcement agencies clear cases...The Sheriff’s Office has its own criteria for clearing cases."[48]

In March 2009, the United States Department of Justice notified Arpaio of that they were investigating him for civil rights violations, in unfairly targeting Hispanics and Spanish-speaking people.[31]

In October 2009, it was reported that the FBI was investigating Arpaio for using his position to settle political vendettas.[36]

In January 2010, it was reported that the Department of Justice has impaneled a grand jury to investigate allegations of abuse of power by Arpaio.[37]

In March 2010, it was reported that an investigation into Arpaio is "serious and ongoing", according to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. [38]

Now, these are facts. Sincle last I looked at that article, somebody has added some spin to that Wikipedia article such as that the chain gangs "are one of Arpaio's most successful programs" with no data presented to back that conclusion. But there's lots of factual information showing why he is not what he claims, and how much he has cost taxpayers.

And for those who think every STATE should have an Arpaio: 1) Take ours, 2) There's no such thing as a STATE Sheriff. It's "County Sheriff".

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here's one more thing about how much money he's saving (not):

From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts, with more than $50 million in claims being filed,[57] 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.[58] Allegations of cruel treatment of inmates as well as living conditions have been cited by Amnesty International in a report issued on the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities.[59]

Some of these are, no doubt, frivolous or have other non-judicial motivations. But they still have to be defended at taxpayer cost (sometimes the taxpayers pay for lawyers on both sides). And other cities have the same badly motivated suits- so Joe's jails just get SUED A WHOLE LOT MORE OFTEN than comparable jail systems.

But he doesn't seem to mind as long as he gets his face time on TV.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Your still ignorant believing in your so called sources, especially fed. government! I do believe the county supervisors are guilty, right along with the rest of the libs that voted against the wishes of americans. These are your corrupt polititions, following corrupt agenda in Washington, with lies& cover-ups. Joe is right out there in the open because he has nothing to hide!; April 9, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Lawn Order said...: So you believe it- it must be true? Where are YOUR facts? Belief means nothing. People believed the the earth was flat, that it was the center of the universe, etc. Those who had facts PROVING otherwise were persecuted by those who didn't want to change their long-standing beliefs.

Look at the facts about Arpaio's dismal job performance (even those above), and post some facts that give you a basis for your belief in him. I wish he were everything he claims. I would save lots of time, and nobody would be having to investigate him. But that isn't reality.

I'll tell you this- if a crime was committed against someone in my family, and there was only a 21% chance the responsible agency would investigate it and bring the criminal to justice: I would we mad! I would do something about it. Don't you want a Sheriff who cares about justice more than reality shows and his own public image?

So talk all you want about everyone else's ignorance, and how there's some big conspiracy against a County Sheriff (delusion of grandeur?)- but let's see YOUR facts to support your position. Say whatever you want about the facts I posted above- prove any of them wrong! You've got nothing but an agenda.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Anonymous said...: It is all the libs fault blah blah blah! THe libs made Joe abuse his power, no Joe, Oh no!

So sick of you retards! I'll be blad when Apraio is gone!; April 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Twisted words, twisted minds, your own fault fools!; April 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: It is your own fault for listening/believing in our news today, no facts, just what the corrupt Washington controls, the media! These sources have no merit, try again.; April 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!!!!! YOU NEED TO START WITH NEWS TO BOTH SIDES OF STORY & MAKE SURE THERE'S PROOF OF FACT!!!!!!!; April 9, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: GUESS WHAT????? WE WILL TAKE AMERICA BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION OF OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WATCH & SEE, THAT'S A FACT JACK!!!!!!!!!!!; April 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Lawn Order said...: "WE WILL TAKE AMERICA BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION OF OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..." So you are not for Joe then? He admits he's not familiar with perhaps the most relevant part of the Constitution (to his responsibility as Sheriff). It's the fourth amendment and has to do with your liberty. Is that important to you? It isn't to Arpaio- or he'd know about it. By his video recorded admission, he doesn't.

To the same person who posted about the truth and facts- where are yours? Joe's supporters assiduously try to avoid them. The reason is very obvious. Instead they just call the informed people names. And, no doubt, they think that makes them right. So whoever has the loudest megaphone, the biggest gun, the lowest regard for others- that person is right by "virtue" of the foregoing? Twisted indeed.

If Joe's supporters had the truth to set them free, why would they feel the need to fraudulently post as others, and mis-represent their views and facts? As one of them said yesterday, actions speak louder than words. Yup, they sure do!

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Anonymous said...: AND THE COMEDY OF SHERIFF CONTINUES ..........seems there is DAILY news coming from the sheriffs office now to try to keep the the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FRDERAL GRAND JURY investigation news on the back burner ...... WELL JOEY and company ......the sweeps and electric bicicle news is just a waste of air time ........ because in the end JOE ARPAIO AND ANDREW THOMAS ARE STILL THE FADING DUO who will be found to have used their office to extract vengence against their political opponents and just about anyone that crosses them ...somewhat like RACKETERRING ... one of the very charges they leveled against numerous people ....WHAT GOES AROUND ...COMES AROUND ...; April 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: Yup it's a comedy alright. He's the Sheriff of Nottingham posing as Robin Hood. I'm sure glad he doesn't wear the tights. If he did, it would sure be a lot harder to hide all the baloney that he foists upon his idolizers. It must be their favorite meal because they are clamoring for more.

Meanwhile the citizenry continues to overpay, and be under-served, even defrauded by the Sheriff in my opinion.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Anonymous said...: BREAKING GOOD NEWS.....OUR SHERIFF JOE ARPIO IS GOING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA....NOT A RUMOR....NOT FROM YOUR ONE SIDED LIB NEWS REEL FROM WASHINGTON!!!!!......THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE......GO JOE WE WILL BE GREATFUL TO HAVE YOU STILL WORKING FOR THE CITIZENS OF ARIZONA!!!!!!KICK AZZ & TAKE NAMES.....THANK YOU JOE!!!!!!!!!!; April 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: YES, JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED, THANK YOU JOE, GO GET UM......YES; April 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe is doing good, its you want to right go with Joe.; April 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Now we're talking, just think of the wonderful possibilities. Alot of corrupt polititions are gonna go, he will be able to put in place a good agenda, especially when we vote out the corruption in Az. & in Washington! Yes, just think, he will be able to, again do more good for Az.!; April 9, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Respect, honest & trust is what you get with Joe, he will make a real change when he becomes governor! He will not abuse, like Washington! Anti Joe people like to judge before guilty, & listen to the lies out of Washington with the media we have today. Get with the program, it just might be the answer to the disaster out of Washington.; April 9, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Am I the only blogger here that thinks this creepy person Lawn Order" needs to quit drinking and get a job!? Gees what a wind bag. If I were in a room where this person was talking" I'd have to rip out his/her vocal cords and stuff them up the nose to shut this person up. Man what a boor.; April 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM
Liz F- North Phoenix said...: Phoenix has become a "free City" for illegal immigrants. The only one doing anything about it is Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He has repeatedly rounded up hundreds of illegals, finds drop houses almost daily with 20 to 40 illegals being held for ransom, and almost weekly finds companies employing the illegals. The Hispanic community has been demonstrating regularly to stop his efforts.

The Phoenix Mayor (a real loser) has protested to Washington. The former AZ governor, who is now over our national security, took funds from Arpaio when she was governor and now is working with the Obama administration to screw over him.

In Phoenix and southern Arizona, vans full of illegals are found regularly crossing the border. Hit and run fatalities are happening regularly, and when the drivers are caught, it is almost always an illegal. Most of the violent crimes are committed by them.; April 9, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Anonymous said...: FB Intimidation=corruption; April 9, 2010 at 9:05 PM
Anonymous said...: FB?

Are you stupid son?; April 9, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Anonymous said...: This whole problem is all Joe's own doing. If he had kept his big mouth shut and maybe not intimidated the wrong people, like a mayor, a governor, a homeland security chief, judges, supervisors then maybe he would not be getting what is justly coming to him. Oh, they are going to ram it home SO DEEP and SO Hard to Joe, it is going to be funny!; April 9, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Anonymous said...: NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM A CHOICE. SHERIFF OR GOVERNER YOU WILL STILL BE WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA. GOD BLESS YOU.; April 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM
Anonymous said...: People who get indicted don't get to win elections! Have a nice day!; April 9, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Anonymous said...: In a couple of months the sheriff's new choices are probably going to be resign, resign, or resign!; April 9, 2010 at 11:33 PM
Anonymous said...: All of these comments sound so dichotomous - pitting one citizen against another with disgust and blame littered throughout. I would like to talk about pragmatics in our troubled state. Has anyone added up the cost of all the lawsuits that the sheriff's office has incurred because they seem to believe that they can do anything as long as they have at least part of the population cheering them on? This country was founded on a number of premises and that isn't one of them. Secondly, I would like to hear less about emotionally based proclamations and more about facts - yes facts- that would help our state out of this mess. I only wish there was as much passion and willingness to do something about the long term efforts of tanking our education system than on supporting an individual who seems to like to hear himself talk with no concern as to the consequence. I hope there is a chance that the good people of "Arizona will look for problem solvers in future elections and not the simple choice of people who flash their face in front of us.; April 9, 2010 at 11:46 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order, I’ll come right out and say it, you are politicking in these blogs. You are running a political campaign here, either for your own benefit or for the benefit of a future candidate of your choice for the office of either county sheriff or county attorney. I for one do not give you credit for much at all, but I will give you credit for this, you are at least smart enough to know that if your dreams of the downfall of Arpaio and Thomas are not realized in the manner you hope them to be, at least you’re hedging your bet in an overly aggressive attempt to discredit and draw any future votes away from the two of them and toward yourself or your candidate of choice, as witnessed by the “facts” of yours and Liz-F North Phoenix’s, numerous contemptible, vicious personal attacks on the sheriff and county attorney.

For the two of you to be conducting a political campaign in this manner, is not only wrong, but, I am quite sure, also illegal according to the clean elections act. The elections are not that far away and no person in their right mind would put in the hours and days and weeks of intense research into old news media, internet searches and blogs and forums for persons personal opinions of the sheriff and county attorney, that the two of you have, unless they had a personal agenda and hopes of financial reward for this service. Nobody can say with any certainty who the two of you are, but whomever you are, in my opinion your antics, motives and violent reactions to some of the other posters opposing views definitely warrant an investigation by KPHO and then by the legal authorities. The post the two of you “ Lawn Order and Liz-F North Phoenix” have been making as of late go far beyond personal opinion and has reached the point of an abnormal hatred and contempt for two duly elected county officials, whether this hatred and contempt for these two officials is due to a wrong committed against you by the sheriff or county attorney, either real or perceived, or is merely jealously over the fact that the sheriff has won every election, it is dangerous and bares watching by the proper authorities.

The views and opinions posted in this blog are solely those of J.W. Simms and not necessarily those of the host of these blogs. J.W. Simms.; April 10, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Anonymous said...: J.W. Simms is a blithering idiot whose works at circle K. The typical uneducated Joe supporter. Nobody reads your rambling retarded posts you fool!; April 10, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Lawn Order said...: Simms your post was refreshingly and surprisingly civil- I skimmed it. Except you said "The views and opinions posted in this blog are solely those of J.W. Simms". Many post differing views in this blog. You were, I hope, referring to your post and not the whole blog as you said.

I do not involve myself in politics. I don't care what the name of the next Sheriff is or the next Governor, etc. I am simply doing my part as a responsible citizen to try to get people to inform themselves of what this band of thugs with badges is doing. In my view it is bad for society, including you. With accurate information, the rest will take care of itself. I make my living in a completely un-related field. I have great respect for law enforcement, though, and the difficult job they do, usually very professionally. And therein lies my concern with Arpaio. We've been over this before. I stand to gain nothing more than any of my neighbors when Arpaio faces justice.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 1:37 AM
Anonymous said...: I stand behind Sheriff Joe & not behind people that are to ignorant to see where this agenda is comming from. You must like government take over from Washington's abusive agenda, that's where you are not finding the whole true story. The major lies & abuse are comming out of Washington, for agenda using Joe for amnesty. You even are ignorant to see that Washington controls most of the news & for quite some time, for you to think Joe's guilty. If anyone is guilty, is the corruption comming out of Washington for their take over agenda.; April 10, 2010 at 6:30 AM
The Real Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order,

You are right, I don't post out here much. This site is something of a wasteland. There is no real discussion going on here. Just you and me and a couple of others (Max, Paul) who want to really converse. Simms is a phoney and a troll (I can't tell you how many accounts he has on another board, there have been so many). The person or people posting using your name and mine are really annoying. I know you don't go to sites where registration is required, but I find that there is less of that kind of BS going on when you have to post using an account with a name that is unique to your account.

Yes, I know you can spot posts that my imposter makes as being not mine, and so can anyone who has read my posts on previous threads here. Quite frankly, though, it really doesn't matter because this blog has become filled with a bunch of non-Arpaio related nonsense, and Stomper Simms twisted viewpoints. When I look at all of these "Anonymous" posts that say "Joe is a great sheriff" and "he is the only one doing anything about illegals" and then the whole Washington Agenda crew (their views of Obama are in no way related to this topic) - well, all I see are a bunch of ostrich butts and there is no way to have an intelligent discussion with them. So I don't bother. There are places to actually use critical reasoning skills and process facts, and this blog isn't one of them.

I do read here and post once in a while. Simms' is often worth a good laugh, especially when he keeps stroking his own ego by reposting that idiotic Stomper post over and over and over. Why he's so proud of that bizzare nonsense is beyond me.

Anyways, I know of a couple of people who have been very right on in their predicitions of what is going on with Arpaio and when. They have posted about several pending events with great accuracy. For example, last fall they were saying the the DOJ investigation was proceeding and they expected the grand jury would be assembled "sometime around the first of the year". They were right on with that. That's one of several examples. They are saying that they believe indictments will be handed down shortly, perhaps by the end of April. I see an article now that Joke is going to make a decision about his future by May 1. That is, of course, assuming he's going to be in a position to make his own decision. That ability may be taken from him in the form of a federal indictment. Time will tell, but word is sooner, rather than later.

Glad to see you still taking the high road. I enjoy reading your posts. I like facts and articles!; April 10, 2010 at 9:24 AM
Anonymous said...: That's real funny what you consider facts & articles, for that you get sucker award!; April 10, 2010 at 9:54 AM
Anonymous said...: It's about time all the watch dogs that have nothing better to do get off Sheriff Joe's back and let him do his job. He is doing nothing more than enforcing the law as it is written and if the do gooders don't like it then change the law. It seems every time an illegal gets arrested someones feelings get hurt and they go after the sheriff for doing his job. If you commit a crime and you get caught YOUR BUTT GOES TO JAIL..!! (and you get to wrap it in PINK) Isn't that they way it should be and isn't that what the law says? He must be doing what the majority of the people want, (note the operative word here...majority)because the majority of the people keep reelecting him!! Has anyone noticed...his jails are not country clubs like so many are now. Jail is a nasty place to be, it should be unconfortable, it should make you want to never come back and if you do you know you are going to be miserable. I think there should be many, many more sheriff's in America like sheriff Joe so the law abiding citizens of this country can live in peace and enjoy the many benifits of this great country!!; April 10, 2010 at 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...: I can't wait to see the reaction out here when Arpaio and Thomas and Hendershott and others are indicted. That will be the wake up call you all have been needing for a long time. Talk about your sucker award!; April 10, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Anonymous said...: I don't have the need to feel that I am right about Arpaio! I know that I am right! Arpaio and Hendershott are the worst lawmen in America! They are both monsters!; April 10, 2010 at 10:36 AM
J.W. Simms. said...: Anonymous said...

J.W. Simms is a blithering idiot whose works at circle K. The typical uneducated Joe supporter. Nobody reads your rambling retarded posts you fool!
April 10, 2010 12:18 AM

:obviously you read my post you lying son of a bitch. J.W. Simms.; April 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Did you read the front page article about Arpaio to make a decision about his future by May 1? His radio comments are disturbing. All he talks about is his fame. The only thing Arpaio has ever cared about is his ego and being a well-known name. He said, (and I quote) "Everybody around the world knows the sheriff, you know that. I don't need governor to get people to know who I am. People don't know who governors are, they know who the sheriff is."

Don't forget: everybody around the world knows who Adolf Hitler and Suddam Hussein were too! When all is said and done, Arpaio will be in the same club - Notorious insane deceased politicians.; April 10, 2010 at 10:47 AM
J.W. Simms. said...: The Real Liz F - North Phoenix said...

Lawn Order,

You are right, I don't post out here much.

Well hi!! there Lizzy, have you seen any more black SUV'S outside your place lately? chances are you will, but they won't be county vehicles. J.W. Simms.; April 10, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Anonymous said...: More than 26,000 joined in less than 2 months.

http://www.facebook.com/Arpaio?v=info; April 10, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: ROTFLMAO @ JW Simms aka Stomper aka one of the many "Anonymous" posters.

Ok, this is one of the funniest (and stupidest) things you've said on these many message boards where you post under so many names:

"For the two of you to be conducting a political campaign in this manner, is not only wrong, but, I am quite sure, also illegal according to the clean elections act."

OMG! That was just TOO FUNNY! You made me blow coffee out my nose when I read that. That was even funnier than when you said this is YOUR blog.

Like I said, you're at least good for a laugh or two, if nothing else.; April 10, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Anonymous said...: HITLER QUOTED: JUST LIKE WASHINGTON, " IF YOU CONTROL WHAT THE PEOPLE KNOW...YOU CONTROL THE PEOPLE"; April 10, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...: People leave the blog cause they know they are wrong, & we are right about Joe!!!!; April 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Lawn Order said...: "People leave the blog cause they know they are wrong..." You're dreaming.

From: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/29/20100129mctension0129.html

"Now, as they wait to see what will happen, a cross-section of county employees spoke with The Arizona Republic, talking publicly for the first time about life inside the county offices during the political battles, lawsuits and arrests going on above them at the highest levels of county government. Most have little connection to the conflicts. Still, their runaway fears were such that they worried that Arpaio's deputies would come after them as well."

"One Superior Court judge moved meetings with her staff and other judges to the chamber restroom, believing it would be a less likely spot for a listening device. "

So he must be a great Sheriff, tough on crime, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, and my pet badger is a safe and courteous driver.

Are you afraid to go to work every day? I'd say that indicates a problem.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: The only NAME that has left the blog is Mark Gasser. What happened to him? Simms must have retired that personna in favor of his more vulgar personality.

Yes, Lawn Order. That definitely does indicate something is wrong. One of the other sites had an article last week about what is in Hendershott's personnel file. That was rather eye opening. He's got to know that, indictment or not, his days as Chief Deputy are numbered. Since Joe is publicly stroking his own ego by talking about how famous he is (somehow he thinks this is related to what he would do as governor) and saying he'll decide May 1, we have to draw the conclusion that is the day he is resigning or giving up that spin to his headline mongering. If he resigns, Hendershott is in a boat load of trouble trying to keep his job.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, some people who must "know someone who knows something" (based on the accuracy of previous predictions) are saying the indictments are coming soon, possibly before the end of the month. That's got to have a few people very, very nervous about their futures. They are also saying that Joel Fox and possibly Paul Chagolla (where has HE been lately, hmmm?) are in protective custody and talking up a storm about their years of being in Joe's inner circle. I'll bet that's making Arpaio and Company a bit jumpy. Everyone knows Fox has good reason to squeal and cut himself a deal over the SCA. Chagolla is a disgruntled former cheif who did as he was told and then never got the promotion he was promised for doing so.

What's that old saying, Joe? Something about how you treat people on the way up the ladder because you're going to meet a whole lot of those same people on the way down?; April 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Lawn Order said...: Liz you're going to drive Joe's minions crazy with those stinkin' facts! Just because they can be proved doesn't mean they're true.

Sorry- gotta' go- my pet badger needs help studying for the written portion of the driving exam. Maybe Joe will pull him over when he's on his way to the pub after work. In case you're wondering what he does: He's training astronauts down near the Civic Center.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Check back later, Lawn Order.

I'm waiting for Simms to come out on the attack again. Can't wait until he posts some more rambling rhetoric!; April 10, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: I am very confident, Joe is confident, his track record for many years speaks for itself, & the will of the people. So, there's no reason to feel any other way. Joe has respect, that's for sure!; April 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: That's your problem, thinking you have facts...Who controls the media right now? Think again. Who controls almost everything in your life right know? Think again. The sooner you realize these facts, you might just get it right. Most americans are'nt fooled anymore, so get smart!; April 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Anonymous said...: And thank you to Lawn Order for your recent posting about Arpaio's track record. It does speak for itself. I am very confident too. Confident that Arpaio is close to being history in a public office, that is.; April 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: If you believe that I'll tell ya another one....If Washington controls what you people know {which they are you fool} Washington controls people like you who believe in all news controlled by Washington. Don't think to hard....fool. With their short corrupt track record, they have you fooled.; April 10, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Lawn Order said...: "If Washington controls what you people know {which they are you fool} Washington controls people like you who believe in all news controlled by Washington." - And who, exactly tells you what to believe?

Evidently you haven't noticed that lots of the news is very critical of those in Washington. So let's see your evidence that Washington controls the news. They can't even control their own spin.

Of course, you and a select few actually know what's going on because you are oh so special. You can't be fooled. You are smarter than smart (Maxwell Smart, that is). I'll see you on my way into Wal-Mart. Don't forget to say "Hello, and welcome to Wal-Mart". The rest of us are just ignorant. Embedded in that greeting is a message to all right-thinking Americans, but you- you my friend, are onto it. We are so much better off that we have someone like you to tell us how ignorant we are.

Don't forget to show up at Joe's trial and see if his defense attorney's have any use for your views. Okay? Not that he needs you. He's the toughest Sheriff in America- says he. I am sure that Wal-Mart will let you off for such important defense work as you are doing for the citizenry of Maricopa County.

If they won't let you off, have them call Dave Hendershott- but not at home. He won't be answering that number.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Anonymous said...: It looks like someone ran out of the Washington Controls medication.; April 10, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order -

LOL! "...have them call Dave Hendershott - but not at home. He won't be answering that number." (Loved the whole post, but that line got me chuckling.)

Have you seen this? It was posted on one of the other threads out here but I can't find it now. It may have been deleted, so this post probably will too. Oh well... That would be 2 for me and how many for Simms?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfOI1EIeZaE; April 10, 2010 at 5:23 PM
Anonymous said...: You people need to get your head out of your azz. The media your relying on, as you seem to know is not a reliable source, when you admit that, maybe you'll get somewhere. One track minds into the lib. media does'nt work, will not work. Seems to me you are for the abuse & lies & corruption comming out of Washington, so be it, you've lost your way. I would trust & respect someone who has a proven track record like Joe, CONFIDENT, NOT LIKE THE ARROGANT IN WASHINGTON RUNNING THIS SHOW, CALLED CONTROL,ABUSE COMMING FROM WASHINGTON. NOW, THESE CROOKS ARE GUILTY & NEED TO BE BEHIND BARS!; April 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Lawn Order said...: "The media your relying on, as you seem to know is not a reliable source..." Is that the best you can do? Do you realize that there are court documents and MANY sources of information about Arpaio? Evidently not, or you wouldn't want to be his boy. Educate yourself, learn to spell, then come back. But forget about lecturing those who have taken the trouble to inform themselves.

The straw man that those who question Arpaio's fitness for duty must be relying on being told what to think by "the media" (a fiction) has been tried too many times to count. Let's see your evidence that exonerates these guys of the charges against them. Calling people names, and insulting them doesn't take any work. Do some work, then try to have an intelligent discussion about the accusations against Arpaio, Thomas and others. This thread isn't about Washington. When you try to discuss that it appears that you are lost. And there goes your credibility. Many are discussing those problems elsewhere, but that doesn't excuse Arpaio for what he's done.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Hey L.O. -

Like I said, I look around and see a lot of ostrich butts.

This yo-yo is one of them. I hear, understand, appreciate and agree with every word you say, but when you're trying to convince a troll that the Billy Goats Gruff have the right to walk over the bridge, well...

Hats off to you for continuing to try to feed information, knowledge and enlightenment to the mentally impoverished. Unless he takes his mental health medications on a regular basis, he will always be unable to distinguish between reality and the Washington Corrupt Agenda world that he lives in.

Where the heck is my little buddy Simms? I have a treat for him. Why doesn't he indulge my sense of humor tonight? This is the first time ever that I've called him out and he hasn't shown up! Simms, ya little varmit! Where are ya?; April 10, 2010 at 8:02 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 10, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Hey JW! Thanks for rearing your ugly head!

I have a direct question for you. I hope you can provide a direct answer, unlike the typical trash on 'the other board'.

I have noticed that most of your posts are directed to me and Lawn Order. The topic of your posts is not a dispute of the information we post, but rather a dispute of our credibility. I can give you several examples, if you wish, although I know you don't need me to re-post your words.

So, what I want to know is "why are you so threatened by the information Lawn Order and I post?"

Furthermore, I want to know why you have never responded to any post I have made when I post as "Anonymous". I post Liz F - North Phoenix - type information, but you never challenge anything I say when I post as anonymous. But as soon as I post as me, you have something to say, although what you say is about me as a person and not about what I post.

What gives, JW?

How do you explain your odd and inconsistent objections?

You do understand, I'm sure, that when you do this, the only credibility you undermine is your own. Right?

I anxiously await your DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions.; April 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Anonymous said...: J.W. Simms - bringing back stupidity and attempting to make it popular one moron at a time.; April 10, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Lawn Order said...: You're right Liz, facts, documents, videos of Arpaio, etc. seem to have no effect. You know what they say: "Hope springs eternal". But you're right I am probably wasting my time trying to reason with ostrich butts (and I like the way you put that). Thanks for the compliments (and the advice).

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 10, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: L.O. - there is another old saying I learned when I was in management.

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

LOL - we've annoyed a pig and he has nothing nice to say about either of us!

;o); April 10, 2010 at 9:46 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 10, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Just as I suspected, JW.

You have no direct answer for my direct question.

Credibility is a b, isn't it?!?

As usual, you're thinking with the wrong head.

Don't worry. You won't be real good. Why would it start tonight?

Well, I can guaranty you that Stomper and Anonymous will be reposting these posts repeatedly through the blogs.

Thanks for indirectly answering my direct questions.

Have fun with your inflatable date!; April 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Not to worry Simmms- I will post your opinions for you just as you've done for others. I could make so many comments about your phoney date, but I thought your were married---- to a chub of ground beef, but had gotten a divorce because your "wife" thought you had a thing for Joe.; April 10, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I take back all bad things I've said about "anonymous". You - I like!

LOL!; April 10, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Both of you skirt around this issue, mainly cause your wrong!; April 10, 2010 at 11:46 PM
Anonymous said...: "Both of you skirt around this issue...." There's only one of me- you're cross-eyed. Sorry to be the one to break it to you. That explains why your post makes no sense.

Posting from a WII isn't the best way to gain credibility, but I'd love to see how it works when you use both controllers to play tennis with your other personality. I guess you have one for each eye! Man, that's interesting.

Now about Arpaio's forthcoming indictment(s).... Oh never mind.; April 10, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Anonymous said...: What...Washington's trying to indict....try again.....; April 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Anonymous said...: No, the Czech Republic. Who said Washington is trying to indict? When? The Justice Department is investigating Arpaio (MCSO) and Thomas. Often that leads to an indictment. Read about it. This is something that shouldn't need explaining to someone who keeps up with the news.; April 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM
J.W.Simms said...: I'm going to have to can my close pal Joe and give him the plate numbers of my ex-wife's truck and her horse trailer. She and Mr Ed are planning a big weekend!; April 11, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Rumor has it that it is a busy weekend at the DOJ as well. I've heard it said that indictments are coming within a few days.; April 11, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Anonymous said...: If you are one that keeps up with the controlled news comming out of Washington! Again, their agenda has alot to do with thugging people, & one way is thru Liberal media, which is one way street of fabrication. Do you actually know what agenda Washington is pushing for, which includes Joe?,& these communists started many years ago with media. They actually have many people believing in global warming, they do change up their wording to confuse & make it sound real with many issues, not just amnesty. They have infiltrated our human core since the 60's. Have you looked up cloward& piven.com, some of the radicals that are in Washington & their corrupt backgrounds? To me this is what started the ball rolling from Washington, using union thugging with opposition for their marx agenda, which does not work, & is against the will of the people. I actually was married to a socialist for 15yrs.; April 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Rumors, boy that sounds like something comming from your typical lib. minds, news, all fabrication!; April 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Everyone who does not agree with you is a lib. The vast group of imaginary pot smoking hippies who run everything, blah, blah, blah. Pull your head out of your ass and please join the rest of the world. This is 2010 not 1995. Conservative blabberings about libbies are so out of style.; April 11, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Yes. Rumor had it that the DOJ would be investigating Arpaio and Thomas begining around the 1st of the year. That rumor was right on. Rumor had it that Hendershott was busy rearranging his personal finances in preparation for major changes coming in his life. That rumor was right on. Rumor had it that Thomas would resign has CA ahead of Arpaio to try to distance himself. That rumor was right on. Rumor had it that Aubuchon would be the first casualty in the CA office. She was demoted from deputy county attorney 3 days after her boss walked away from his position.

And now rumor has it that the indictments are on their way within the next couple of weeks, possibly as soon as tomorrow or Tuesday.

Rumors, if heard from reliable sources, are usually hedged fact. On Wall Street, it's called leaked insider information. In the office enviornment, it's called water cooler gossip. On political blogs, it's called rumor.

Call it what you will. I'll check back with you to see what you have to say when the indictments suddenly fabricate themselves.; April 11, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: That just shows where the thugging has started from Washington, since the new regime took over Washington. Social justice is giving people that don't have as much to someone else, that goes for rights too, It makes no sense to give your money to someone else, rights to criminals. If something has worked for many years, why change it, reform is totally different than what Washington is doing to america. Most people who want a better life, are for this socialism...take from the worker, give to the loser, & the rich in Washington get richer with this idiotic agenda, is & will not work here in America. Socialist are jealous of not having what others have, more money, they want the gov. to supply from ones who do. That is definitly not fair. Washington's pushing all common sense out of the way for their agenda, which is Joe.; April 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: " Washington's pushing all common sense out of the way for their agenda, which is Joe."

Really? REALLY?? Joe Arpaio is "Washington's Agenda?"

ROTFL! I bet you were the one that started whispering that mass conspiracy theory in Hendershott's ear, weren't you. Tell the truth now...

By the way, the new People Against Sheriff Joe Arpaio has grown to 26, 911 members. That's 51 new members since noon.; April 11, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Editing my above comment - that should have said the new Facebook page, People Against Sheriff Joe Arpaio has grown... and it's 26,925 now. 14 new members in 25 minutes.; April 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...: That just shows how you believe anything the corruption out of Washington, C.I.A. & F.B.I. any & all in the Washington bubble will control with the lies & track records, I'm sure of my stance, so be a fool. This corruption started many, many years ago, but you don't know any better. You still have'nt got a clue with this agenda from corrupt Washington, Once a fool always a fool......; April 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Hey, wait a minute! You sound like Mark Gasser. Mark, is that you? Where have you been hiding? Haven't seen you and your delusional rants around for a few months now. Glad you're ok and still working on getting your medications straightened out!; April 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: As of 6:30 pm, that Facebook page has 27,015 members; up 90 members from just before 3:00. Looks like there are a lot of people who think Sheriff Joe Has Got To Go. Keep tabs yourself:

http://www.facebook.com/Arpaio?v=info; April 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Anonymous said...: How many million legal citizens are in maricopa, if your gonna tell only part of a story, try some real numbers, & try to tell the whole truth, you sound like the typical news reporting, half azz.; April 11, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Anonymous said...: SAUL ALINKSKI-BOOK: RADICAL AGENDA/CLOWARD & PIVEN, THEY HAVE INFILTRATED US FOR MANY YEARS, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, GET EDUCATED. UNLESS YOU AGREE WITH THESE HANDBOOKS USED BY WASHINGTON.; April 11, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Once a fool always a fool..." Wy didn't you listen when you heard that from your Mom a decade ago? If anyone is well-informed, which takes some effort you know, that person is a liberal who will believe anything. That is simply moronic, except to morons. They can't tell the difference.

If you choose to take Arpaio's political propaganda at face value, that's your business. And, presumably his actions are also wasting your tax dollars (assuming you pay). You can easily find out for yourself what the facts are. But don't call others names when the do it.

The truth is that the informed posters here would prefer it if Arpaio were completely and professionally upholding the law. It's not personal. Believe what you want, but you'd be better off informing yourself.

Those who are educated could care less what names they are called by some yahoo Arpaio worshiper. I, for one, consider such people to be suckers. If they were informed, they would post information- like others do- but they don't- they just label others, and resort to childish name calling.

So go ahead and post the "real numbers" and the facts you have along with your sources so we can verify them. Otherwise- go somewhere where name calling is important. It isn't even allowed in court. Joe will soon be a defendant and even he will have to stop that tactic and act like a grown-up with facts (that will nail him to the wall).

If you don't like that- too bad.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 11, 2010 at 7:43 PM
Anonymous said...: If there is anybody! in this blog who thinks these two twits (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are for real, all I can say is, you’ve got to be kidding me. These two dimwits are just amusing themselves, they go from blog to blog posting crap about sheriff Arpaio and Andrew Thomas, that they couldn’t care less about. They do this because they know that the majority of the people are for the sheriff and county attorney. If they thought that the majority of the people were against the sheriff and Andy, then they would post things in support of them, this is what they do. They do this for entertainment, I guess they’re tired of computer porn and there’s really nothing on TV” They do this simply to see what kind of response they can get from other people and then laugh about it. In internet language” people like (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are referred to as “Trolls” because that’s what they do, they “Troll” through the internet blog’s and forums seeking out emotionally charged people who feel passionate about the faith they have in their law enforcement officials, namely sheriff Arpaio and county attorney Thomas, one! Of whom they have elected numerous times because of that faith. When these two twits find the people they’re “Trolling” for, they will mock them, make fun of them, laugh at them and try to drive them from the blog, just for fun, because that’s what a “Troll” does, just for fun!!.

These are (Lawn Orders) own words “Hi Liz,Thanks for the warm welcome. "Let's rock like we did on the other boards. I would suggest that the next time you read a post from these two, ask yourself, can these two idiot’s be for real?? {Seems about right to me); April 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM
Lawn Order said...: "If there is anybody! in this blog who thinks these two twits (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are for real..." You've copied this every couple of days for over a week. Nobody is impressed. And nobody is fooled into ignoring the evidence against your hero.

Care to post any facts about Joe that have anything to do with the charges he's going to be facing in court? That's for real. Deal with it.

Evidently all you can do is attack other posters in hopes that you can distract people into making these blogs about someone other than Arpaio. But look at the title. Then look at the facts related to Arpaio. I have posted lots of them, and so has Liz. Yep, we're for real. Deal with that too!

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 11, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Hey Stomper Simms:

Why do you keep posting this crap?

" Anonymous said...
If there is anybody! in this blog who thinks these two twits (Lawn Order) and (Liz F North Phoenix) are for real..."

You lost all of your credibility when you dodged my questions last night. No one cares what you have to say anymore.

Like Lawn Order said - Care to post any facts?

I'll be happy to do what you do - repost old posts to keep old topics up front. Starting with your "date" from last night to get out of answering my direct question.

I said:

Hey JW! Thanks for rearing your ugly head!

I have a direct question for you. I hope you can provide a direct answer, unlike the typical trash on 'the other board'.

I have noticed that most of your posts are directed to me and Lawn Order. The topic of your posts is not a dispute of the information we post, but rather a dispute of our credibility. I can give you several examples, if you wish, although I know you don't need me to re-post your words.

So, what I want to know is "why are you so threatened by the information Lawn Order and I post?"

Furthermore, I want to know why you have never responded to any post I have made when I post as "Anonymous". I post Liz F - North Phoenix - type information, but you never challenge anything I say when I post as anonymous. But as soon as I post as me, you have something to say, although what you say is about me as a person and not about what I post.

What gives, JW?

How do you explain your odd and inconsistent objections?

You do understand, I'm sure, that when you do this, the only credibility you undermine is your own. Right?

I anxiously await your DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions.

YOU said:

Liz F - North Phoenix said...

Hey JW! Thanks for rearing your ugly head!

:Sorry sweet meat, I can't answer your direct questions right now, I gotta get ready to go. I have a date with a cocktail waitress with ***'s on her" that would bring tears to Dolly Parton's eyes. She gets off at 11:30pm, I'll be getting off at about 1:00am 2:00am 3:30am and if I'm real good and stay lucky, maybe again about 8:00 am Sunday morning. That's probably more than you needed to know huh? bye!!. J.W. Simms. (I edited your post with asteriks so as not to be deleted.)

PS: Maybe I can make time for you Monday evening.

I replied:

Just as I suspected, JW.

You have no direct answer for my direct question.

Credibility is a b, isn't it?!?

As usual, you're thinking with the wrong head.

Don't worry. You won't be real good. Why would it start tonight?

Well, I can guaranty you that Stomper and Anonymous will be reposting these posts repeatedly through the blogs.

Thanks for indirectly answering my direct questions.

Have fun with your inflatable date!

Anyone with any brains knows who has credibility out here and they know it is NOT J. W. Simms. So why do you keep making a fool out of yourself. Have you no shame?; April 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Oh, by the way, 27,108 Anti Arpaio fans on Facebook as of a couple of minutes ago. That is up from 26,860 at noon today. Joe is going down...; April 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Lawn Order said...: Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but it's a little sad to me that Arpaio's political prospects are measured by Facebook and not by factual evidence. I am not faulting anyone at all, and in fact I think that this could be a useful metric. BUT- he's in legal trouble, and when it comes to that aspect, I ponder how much Facebook should matter, and whether it's a good thing that in reality it DOES matter so much. It's a little academic, but a little disappointing to me anyway.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Be sure to urge all anti-arpaio facebookers to vote next election.; April 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Anonymous said...: We should be worrying more about the illegal Washington, that have taken our country down! They are behind media & Joe. All news media start telling the story with some facts!; April 12, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Urge people to educate themselves on what's really going on!; April 12, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Anonymous said...: What's really going on?

That's funny! Joe Arpaio and his thugs have finally met someone they cannot intimidate! The FEDS! Muahahahahahaha!

That is what is really going on!; April 12, 2010 at 7:26 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...

Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but it's a little sad to me that Arpaio's political prospects are measured by Facebook and not by factual evidence. I am not faulting anyone at all.

: Gee Liz, looks like you've been slammed by old Lawn Order himself. This guy is such a liar, of course he's faulting someone Liz, he's faulting you! his good buddy here, a bit of a two faced bastard isn't he? Well you know what Liz? he's right, what kind of a nitwit would pin her hopes and dreams of a conviction for Arpaio and Thomas, on the number of people that post to a site like Facebook? Facebook! isn't that a site for kids and perverts? Who in their right mind would take anything posted on that site seriously? Oh yeah, you would, after all that is!! one of your factual sources of information on Arpaio and Thomas. Christ Liz, get real. I think that's the second time Lawn Order has slammed you in his post, will there be a third time? J.W. Simms.; April 12, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Geeez, Simms - I don't consider it slammed at all.

Lawn Order and I are mature adults who can openly discuss topics and on occassion agree to disagree.

And then there is your ignorant mentality, which can't comprehend intelligent discussion.

Pin my hopes and dreams on a Facebook page? LOL - right. I don't even have a Facebook page. I just found the fac that thousands of people have joined up in two months "interesting".

Try again to discredit me and/or Lawn Order.

How was your inflatable date?

Nightie Night, Stomper.; April 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: P.S.

Credibility is a B, ain't it Simms?

;o)

P.P.S. 27,600 as of right now on the Facebook page. That's up almost 1000 from noon yesterday. If anti-Arpaio people need to get mobilized, there is a means to do it, right? Why don't you start a "Go Joe" page and see how far you get?; April 12, 2010 at 7:47 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: And the "site for kids and perverts" you visit is Myspace, not Facebook.

I would think you, pervert that you are, would have that bookmarked.

Bad form, Simms.; April 12, 2010 at 7:50 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 12, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Lawn Order said...: Liz- you are right in your response! I won't bother with what's a whose it. Is there no end to the subject changing and parade of straw men?

Thank you.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 12, 2010 at 7:52 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Even Bad form is a form of sorts Liz, some people have no form whatsoever. goodnight Liz. J.W. Simms.; April 12, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: By the way, Simms, you said you would answer me Monday evening. Well, it's Monday evening.

"Sorry sweet meat, I can't answer your direct questions right now, I gotta get ready to go. I have a date with a cocktail waitress with ***'s on her" that would bring tears to Dolly Parton's eyes. She gets off at 11:30pm, I'll be getting off at about 1:00am 2:00am 3:30am and if I'm real good and stay lucky, maybe again about 8:00 am Sunday morning. That's probably more than you needed to know huh? bye!!. J.W. Simms. (I edited your post with asteriks so as not to be deleted.)

PS: Maybe I can make time for you Monday evening."

So what exactly is your direct answer to my direct question. Please don't throw out some vomit about how you don't know what my question is. It is this:

I have a direct question for you. I hope you can provide a direct answer, unlike the typical trash on 'the other board'.

I have noticed that most of your posts are directed to me and Lawn Order. The topic of your posts is not a dispute of the information we post, but rather a dispute of our credibility. I can give you several examples, if you wish, although I know you don't need me to re-post your words.

So, what I want to know is "why are you so threatened by the information Lawn Order and I post?"

Furthermore, I want to know why you have never responded to any post I have made when I post as "Anonymous". I post Liz F - North Phoenix - type information, but you never challenge anything I say when I post as anonymous. But as soon as I post as me, you have something to say, although what you say is about me as a person and not about what I post.

What gives, JW?

How do you explain your odd and inconsistent objections?

You do understand, I'm sure, that when you do this, the only credibility you undermine is your own. Right?

I anxiously await your DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions.; April 12, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: J.W. Simms. said...
She was like this Liz (.)(.) and that was fun, by the way Liz, yes I have no shame. J.W. Simms

You have no shame, true. You also have no class, no intelligent thought, no credibility and no direct answers. At least you have some inflatable boobs to keep you distracted. And you think that's fun.

You're sorrier than I thought. Does Gasser watch? LOL!

That's what I like about you Simms (albeit the ONLY thing) - you walk right into criticism. In fact, you ask for it.

In other news, Arpaio arch enemy Romley is throwing his hat into the ring for County Attorney. This ought to be fun. Arpaio will probably resign for that reason alone. Romley had the audacity to tell Joe NO! LOL! Go RICK!; April 12, 2010 at 8:09 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Just as I expected - no direct response from Simms aka Stomper aka Anonymous.

Lawn Order, just to let you know - I don't think the Facebook page is the epitomy of justice for Joke - but it most certainly suggests that there is an ever-growing following of the Arpaio story, and, should need be, communication to people who do not want Joe in ANY position in Maricopa County or the State of Arizona can be swift. 27,647 as of a minute ago. Imagine if those were signatures on a recall petition! Maybe it's possible, if the PROBLEM isn't solved by 'other means'.; April 12, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Wellllll??? Simmms???????

You said you would answer on Monday night.

Where is your answer?; April 12, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Lawn Order said...: Liz- I don't think I was clear in my concerns about Facebook. I am only concerned about the fact that Facebook matters so much. We don't know how many of these people ACTUALLY live in Maricopa County. Yet we're using it as a metric to show that Arpaio's support is tangibly declining. I think that conclusion is correct. Facebook is a strange way to measure it, in my opinion. But like I said: Maybe I am a curmudgeon.

There was no criticism of you or your comment intended (as I think you know). My post was just my opinion of a valid observation (for whatever that is worth). I would be very interested from a sociological perspective to know how well voter approval tracks Facebook's anti-Arpaio fan count. It might be a useful predictor of other public opinion.

My concern is based solely on some of the time-wasting garbage that is posted on that site. It's like an interactive "Tiger Beat" in some ways. In other ways it is demonstrably useful.

The key thing is that people see beyond Arpaio's propaganda.

On another subject: I sometimes wonder about Gasser too. I hope he's okay. I wonder whether he saw the reasonableness of the non-pro-Arpaio posts and posters, and simply decided that he needed to re-evaluate his one-sided views.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 12, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Let's not forget the freaks on the sheriff's posse who believe that they are mind readers or psychics. Some real weirdos working with Joe that is for sure!; April 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Lawn Order said...: One more thing (as if so an what deserves an answer of any sort, or that it matters). I don't criticize people for reporting facts, no matter whether I like them or not, or how important I think they are- as long as they are related to the topic of conversation.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 12, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Anonymous said...: The topic is: RADICAL LEFT/LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE MEDIA REPORTING MOST OF THESE FABRICATED/BRAINWASHING SO CALLED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!; April 13, 2010 at 7:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Here's and idea, get them arrest....created some ridiculous fine they can pay on the spot to be transported back to the border to generate some money for this state. No money to get out of jail free card....Get a really long chain...lots of pink and put all their asses to work cleaning this county up!!!!!

Arrest them all!!!!!; April 13, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Anonymous said...: The sooner you realize Washington's arrogance & control of the media, the sooner you'll be awake on many issues being reported.; April 13, 2010 at 9:40 AM
Anonymous said...: The sooner you realize that your hero Joe Apraio is just a political opportunist, a bigot, and on his way out of power, the sooner your denial will no longer be your problem.; April 13, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Lawn Order said...: And where (for the hundredth or so time) is your proof of media Wahsington blah blah blah??? Don't give me that wake up nonsense. For example: When I take my rather new luxury car in for an oil change and the mechanic wants to convince me that I need a whole new engine- I would want reasons, facts, evidence. You're saying the government is essentially evil, trying to fool the public (and sometimes they have done, I think), but how does that exonerate Arpaio for abusing his power?

Believe me, I am certainly not saying the governments truly have the citizen's best interests as their chief motivation. But that's a different subject (for the umpteenth time).

If the guy who wanted to replace my engine gave me that "the sooner you wake up..." garbage and produced no evidence for his rather extreme conclusion and proposal, I would laugh, then go someplace with an honest capable mechanic who would change the oil.

So where's is the evidence exonerating Arpaio? Why of all the COUNTY Sheriffs in the US- is he the target of the Justice Department.

The real reason that Joe and his merry band of badged thugs is being investigated is the number of complaints and that the initial investigation turned up evidence warranting further investigation. But what do you say is the reason for him being TARGETED? Ironically that's just what he's accused of doing to others.

Where were the complaints and urgings to wake-up when Arpaio was using the same media for publicity, as he still is according to the story that precedes this thread.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Joe please run for Governor. Run for President. My spouse and I will vote for you. You're almost the only person that wants to enforce the law. Thank you for everything you do.; April 13, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe can go ahead and run for governor. In fact if he did and he won he would probably be impeached for his abuse of power crimes as sheriff. That would be funnier! There is no escaping his past crimes by attempting to run for governor! The best chance he has of escaping embarrassment is to retire with honor today.; April 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: As Governor he can still be impeached for his crimes as sheriff. Apraio would be better off retiring with that big fat pension.; April 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Lawn Order said...: "You're almost the only person that wants to enforce the law...." Please tell me you're not one of the people who's telling others to wake up!

Where does this utter nonsense come from? It sure would be entertaining if Arpaio gave up being Sheriff for any reason, though. Investigating his administration of MCSO would be much easier then. And people would have to admit finally, that rather than enforce the law, he ignores large parts of it, and breaks some of it. The fourth Amendment is part of the law, and the basis for yet more of it, yet- Joe's not familiar with it. So how is it that people can say that he wants to enforce the law- just on that basis alone?

It's mystifying. What an effective politician he is!!!

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Blog Administrator -

How about giving us a story less than 1 week old so our comments aren't held? It's hard to have a discussion when you say something that doesn't show up for a day or two!; April 13, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...: If I was a betting man I would bet that the county sups are going to put in a county attorney who is hostile to Arpaio. If I was Arpaio I would retire instead of dealing with that.; April 13, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...: The facts are in clear sight, also with the history of these terrorists in charge of our country. You seem to be very ingnorant of what is going on around you, Like I said before, your either on the corrupt side of collapsing country & want more rights for crimmnals, less rights for legal citizens, want a hand out, being abused by Washington. Or, uphold the constitution, & live a totally better life. As alot of people see the lies in many ways are not making our country any better, if anything worse. Sounds like you are not aware of agenda, that does not make america great the will of the people is to have someone like Joe doing a job legally, that is not in Washington's agenda, he would close boarders to help make america safer, which Washington's agenda is total opposite. I can't wait for the overhaul, common sense change to make america a great country.; April 13, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Lawn Order said...: "these terrorists in charge of our country" I know you're just repeating what you've heard from others, but why do you think those who run the country are worthy of being called terrorists. Terrorists killed more than 3,000 people on 9/11, and carried out the Oklahoma City bombing. The latter considered themselves patriots though.

So how do you call the politicians in the government terrorists? Nobody's saying they are trustworthy- but terrorists? C'mon!

Joe Arpaio is a politician. How do you think your diatribe exonerates him of the accusations that he abused his authority? How do those accusations improve his record of letting criminals go (about 75% of cases are never fully investigated, and you probably think he's tough on crime).

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 13, 2010 at 10:04 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said... Where does this utter nonsense come from? It sure would be entertaining if Arpaio gave up being Sheriff for any reason, though.

:What would be even more entertaining, would be to know! just what it was that the Sheriff did to you personally, that elicits such venomous act's of vocal revenge. You spent some time in tent city maybe? Maybe an extreme DUI charge, or! domestic violence arrests? Something keeps your hate filled vengeful posts going there's no question about that. The only question is, what!! is it? J.W. Simms.; April 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM
Lawn Order said...: "hate filled vengeful posts"? You have GOT to be kidding me. Read your posts. That's hateful and venomous, since you don't seem to have a dictionary. My posts are factual and reasonable.

I want to know why Arpaio keeps wasting my tax dollars. How many times to I have to tell you that. It's not personal. Period.

I report what I have read and seen from reliable sources (like the legal filings). Funny how desperate supporters of the Sheriff consider the truth and the facts hateful and venomous!

Now that I have answered your question, or accusation- how about answering some of the questions that I have asked repeatedly. I don't think you can. Why, for example, is Chief Deputy Hendershott paid more than twice Arpaio's salary (for the dozenth time- never answered)? Is that hateful and venomous? Nope- it's a request for some justification of policies that affect all the taxpayers of Maricopa County.

Why are about 75% of MCSO's cases "exceptionally cleared" so that victims and their families never get their day in court and criminals go unpunished? Many are never even investigated. And why then is Arpaio worthy of the moniker "tough on crime"?

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM
Anonymous said...: I love Sheriff Joe. It's about time somebody in this country grows a spine and does what he does!; April 14, 2010 at 5:54 AM
Anonymous said...: These new tougher illegal immigration laws that are passed is what Az. needs & wants, more spine for what Joe has been doing for us!!!!; April 14, 2010 at 8:50 AM
Anonymous said...: If you have to ask, that tells me your not aware, I will call Washington economic terrorists, knew that before he & cronies lied to get elected. People did'nt do their own research on individuals who were running. Education is a valuable tool. Most of Washington deals in corruption on many issues, levels which do effect our life. The character/backgrounds of these radical communists/dictator which were funded by alot of corrupt groups, is not what makes America great.; April 14, 2010 at 9:00 AM
Anonymous said...: You are an ignorant tool sir as are all Arpaio followers.; April 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM
Lawn Order said...: "If you have to ask, that tells me your not aware,..." sounds too much like "What most people don't know...". Have a good life!

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...

"hate filled vengeful posts"?

:Where do you get the idea that Hendershotts salary is more than twice that of the sheriff? Hendershott retired from MCSO and then was hired back as chief deputy. You cannot include his pension from retirement, with his wages as chief deputy and come up with a salary" as twice the amount of the sheriff.

Also, exactly who are these 75% of victims and their families who have never had their day in court? You assume an awful lot, when you assume they would have even wanted their day in court, not everybody does.

Also exactly who are these criminals whom are going unpunished, and what were the criminal acts they committed? as a tax paying citizen, I certainly do not condone criminal acts going unpunished, but if I am going to be asked to believe your anti Arpaio propaganda, I am going to need names, dates, case numbers, report numbers etc" (per-Se) proof of what you! state as fact.

exactly! how many of these cases were never investigated and 75% of what total number of cases were excepted? In order for us to become believers in what you say against MCSO, we need more than just your opinions and what you read in the morning papers over coffee.

I will agree, it is sad that the good sheriff is wasting "your" tax dollars chasing criminals across the whole damn county, from the prestigious white collar criminals in Phoenix, to the lowly border rats invading the whole state, but it would cost "you" more dollars to let these criminals go unchecked. Sad indeed, but that's the way it is in the real world, which I'm not sure you're a part of.

To sum it up, as I have stated before, I have no way of knowing who you are. You could be someone with a grudge, typing your crap from a prison cell in Florence, Ariz. for all I know, but I do know that you exhibit an abnormal hatred and contempt for the sheriff and the job he is doing and that hatred could be dangerous for the sheriff, you should be watched. It seems to me, you are on a vendetta to get the sheriff and that is not good.

In closing I will say "Lawn Order" go to hell! and please take Liz with you. J.W. Simms.; April 14, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe is LOVED by many because he keeps throwing the illegals
back to Mexico !

End of discussion !; April 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe only loves himself. You are a tool.; April 14, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...: You go Joe. With the new illegal immigration bill and you as governor we can finally clean this state up for the legal citizens and immigrants who come in the proper way. You got my vote!; April 14, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Anti arpio people are losers, they are sure afraid of the laws that help Arizona inforce laws to keep us safe. You need to look into the arrogance & abuse of your tax dollars comming out of Washington!; April 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Nicoley said...: Well, it's nice to know that if this bill passes (and I have heard that the Brewer should sign it) that it will now be illegal for me to drive in the car with my husband and that if I were to get stopped I could be arrested along with my husband and my daughter can be taken from me. Doesn't sound too fair to me. My husband is here illegally and it's not fair that he can be stopped and harassed and taken from his family without committing a real crime just for being mexican. He has been here since he was a teenager and isn't able to get all of his documents that he needs to be here legally for another 2 years... he doesn't work, he stays home with our daughter, he isn't some missbehaved gang banger or drug dealer.... why does this new law have to attack everyone? It put criminals in the same boat as honest people who are just here trying to live.; April 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Lawn Order said...: Hendershott is payed the number of tax dollars he is paid. He worked out a gmmick to circumvent the rules and Joe rubber stamped it. It was widely reported. And it totals much more than double Joe's salary. And Handershott's salary alone is quite a bit more than Joe's. But thanks for at least giving some sort of answer finally, even if it was utterly inadequate. Hmmmmm...sounds like Arpaio's job description. But I digress.

Joe's chasing criminals- really? What about their exceptional- exceptional clearance rate? Look it up. He's letting criminals go, and victims go without justice, in VERY large numbers- way out of proportion to departments in like jurisdictions, or even much larger ones. I have never dealt with MCSO. Period. The police where I live consider me a friend and I have talked to quite a few of them- related to helping them to do their jobs more effectively. We'll leave it there.

So I am a somewhat well-informed (law-abiding) person. And I truly wish, whatever you may choose to believe- that Joe Arpaio were doing a good job as a Sheriff and not a great job as a politician. He's doing a very, VERY lousy job as a Sheriff. And lots of people are afraid of him, including (according to a recent report), the whole County Board of Supervisors. And I am not taking their side, just stating what I know from reliable news reports. I don't personally know any of them.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM
Lawn Order said...: Simms- I just sort of skimmed your post- you love to tell me to get lost but in a very crass manner- so I will. You will not get a reply from me after this one about Arpaio's exceptional clearance rate. If you want all the names of the victims of exceptionally cleared cases- you'll have to go to them and probably file a FOIA request. You are not going to waste any more of my time. But some names have been published:
From Wikipdeia:

Improper clearance of MCSO cases

New reports show that, under Arpaio, the MCSO may be improperly clearing as many as 75% of cases without arrest or proper investigation.[38][39][40][41] The sheriff's office has failed to properly investigate serious crimes, including the rape of a 14 year old girl by classmates,[42][43] the rape of a 15 year old girl by two strangers,[44][45] and the rape of a 13 year old girl by her father.[44][46] These cases were "exceptionally cleared" without investigation or even identifying a suspect in one case which are not in accordance with the FBI standards for exceptional clearance.[44][47] The case of the 15 year old girl, the case was closed within one month and before DNA testing was even complete, the 13 year old's because her mother didn't want to "to pursue this investigation," and the 14 year old's because a suspect declined to come in for questioning.[42][44] In a statement to ABC15, the Sheriff's Office claimed, "The Goldwater Institute’s report cites the FBI’s Uniform Code Reporting handbook, which is a voluntary crime-reporting program to compile statistical information and reports. The UCR is not intended for oversight on how law enforcement agencies clear cases...The Sheriff’s Office has its own criteria for clearing cases."[48]

In an interview on the ABC Nightline news program, when asked to explain why 82 percent of cases were declared cleared by exception, Arpaio said "We do clear a higher percentage of that. I know that. We clear many, many cases -- not 18 percent." Nightline contacted the MCSO after the interview and was told that of 7,346 crimes, only 944, or 15%, had been cleared by arrest.[49]

From Phoenix Magazine (http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/200909/goldwater-s-group--goes-after-arpaio/):
The second report, issued this May, was titled Justice Denied: The Improper Clearance of Unsolved Crimes by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

This one nailed the sheriff for jeopardizing public safety by spending so much time and attention on arresting illegal immigrants who’ve committed petty crimes such as traffic violations. The report detailed that Arpaio has a lousy record in solving serious crimes – it’s officially called the “clearance rate.”

In police terms, you can clear a case by either arresting the perpetrator or through “exception,” stating you’re aware of who the suspect is but special circumstances make an arrest impossible (i.e., the suspect is dead). For 80 years, the FBI has rigid rules on what it deems an “exception.” Never has it allowed an agency to claim an “exception” simply because it was too lazy to solve tough crimes. But that is the clear implication of the Goldwater Institute’s report.

The report charged the sheriff’s office has fudged its “clearance” numbers for years by simply evoking the exception clause. But they went even further, demanding that the state Legislature require law enforcement groups to detail why a case was closed by exceptional means and not by arrest. It basically says, no more fudging, boys – let’s get real about real law enforcement.

Then you can look at the Goldwater Institute Report itself.

Facts is facts. Where are yours, Simms- even an experienced veterinary forensic proctoligist couldn't find them.

Posted by the authentic and original Lawn Order.; April 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM
Anonymous said...: If you people so against Joe realize how much of our tax dollars are being wasted from our federal government & for their socialist agenda, our state is no where near the money wasted for our agenda which is a safer boarder!; April 14, 2010 at 5:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Channel 5 shuts down freedom of speach for their lib. agenda, thank Washington!; April 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Lawn Order said...: For those who want actual information about Arpaio's performance, here are some links. NOBODY has yet to disprove a single thing in any of these, at least not here, nor anywhere that I know of. Arpaio's supporters complain and call people names, but facts are very few and far between. If you have evidence that any of the reporting that I have linked is factually wrong- please post that EVIDENCE here:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)

MCSO 287(g) statistics
http://www.kpho.com/download/2010/0209/22511475.pdf

Don't cry here about the facts you don't like- PROVE them wrong, with evidence. That's not going to happen. And when you call names, and come up with your own facts- I will simply post these sources of FACTUAL INFORMATION again.

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM
Anonymous said...: If you crazy people in Arizona do not want Sheriff Joe anymore, then please send him to South Carolina.He can be the next Governor and the top law offical. We do not have anyone of his caliber here.; April 14, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe should be in charge of Homeland Security!!!!!There would no illegals in the U.S.A.; April 14, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Lawn Order said...: I think Norway or Canada is behind all of this. You have to look beyond the facts to see who our real enemies are. Sure, they seem so nice and neighborly. Yup it's Norway or Canada. I bet a lot of people in Washington are from there.; April 14, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Anonymous said...: As usual the Federal government does'nt do their job with illegal immigration, so I am asured they are the ones involved in Joe's good work!; April 15, 2010 at 5:16 AM
Anonymous said...: I think people make mistakes and to make them suffer out in tents, giving them nutra loaf,which the sheriff admits he would not eat is treating humane beings like animals.
I have to comment on Elizebeth Johnson I have no pity for this girl after what she did with her child. But if she is starving becasue she can not eat that crappy loaf, that is WRONG...; April 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: I am totally in support of Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his good works. If we had more people in government like him this world would not be in such a mess. We did not ask the illegal's to come to the USA nor to commint the crimes that they do, however when they end up in prison, not only do they get a free ride to the border when released but they get a $50.00 check if it is their first time in and released & any other money that is sent to them or that they have earned though working. No wonder our state is broke. Do you think Mexico gives our people the same consideration? I don't. I would luv it if Sheriff Joe would run for Governor or even Director of the Az. Dept. of Corrections.

Keep up the good work Sheriff Joe and I will keep writing your name in on any ballot that your name is not listed...would luv to see you as our President also...; April 15, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Lawn Order said...: Arpaio's minions are truly desperate. I did NOT post the message stamped "April 14, 2010 9:40 PM". I posted something similar tongue-in-cheek (but the context is missing from this impostor's post) on another thread in this blog over a week ago. It illustrates the pretzel logic of these militant uber-fans of his.

I have never so much as posted profanity (which I don't use in my speech either), since I think being informed and articulate is much more appealing. Yet one of Arpaio's worshipers who uses quite a bit of profanity and has been known to post veiled threats, says above that I should be watched. That tells me that the facts are very scary to them, and they have no way to defend his record with contravening facts. It's obvious that logic is a concept they don't understand and they are looking to push emotional buttons of people rather than have them look at Arpaio's record for themselves.

For example someone posted above that if "Sheriff Joe [were] in charge of Homeland Security!!!!!There would no illegals in the U.S.A.". Evidently they don't read the news about the many arrests (like) today of illegals. So he hasn't been very effective in Maricopa County- though he makes lots of noises to the contrary. How many are here that aren't being arrested- they evidently come here because they are better informed about Arpaio's ineffectiveness in the ONE area where people keep posting propaganda about his effectiveness.

Wouldn't it be better to have a Sheriff who is so effective at his job that he doesn't always feel the need to exploit the media to advertise and convince the public of something that isn't supported by the evidence?

Posted by the original, authentic Lawn Order (not someone who tries to dupe people into thinking he has credibility by using my handle).; April 15, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Is'nt there a reason why they call it jail, not a resort!; April 15, 2010 at 5:17 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...New reports show that, under Arpaio, the MCSO "may be" improperly clearing as many as 75% of cases without arrest or proper investigation.

: New reports show? pray tell me Lawn Order, just what did the old" reports show? I think if you will read your own post, even you will see that the key phrase here is "may be" which can also be construed as "may not be". So you see, all of your hard work of posting your news reports and all of those silly numbers, not to mention your ridiculous links that nobody is interested in pursuing because of their lack of believability, is proof positive of absolutely NOTHING!!!

If and that's a big if, you even had a shred of an "iota" of credibility, you shot that all to hell when you quoted from the Goldwater report. I think we all know what the Jew boys at Goldwater are after. Keep this in mind, since the beginning of time, a Jew has never ever!! done something for nothing. I think you would be better off quoting from your pal Liz's favorite source (FACEBOOK!!) Lawn Order, start over! and this time with less hatred and vindictiveness,toward the sheriff, try a little truth, honesty and unbiased! facts. J.W. Simms.; April 15, 2010 at 8:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Now the corrupt feds. are here for no reason, just to make more of this disaster. It takes a rancher to be killed for them to look like they really want to look like they are doing something. Joe needs to do his job without Washington involved. First they should'nt have their nose in Az.especially when they don't live here! They've always put negative input & where they don't belong, in our life & in many ways.; April 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Let's face it, accountability, responsibility, common sense, Joe doing his job will surely win over you anti-Joe groups.; April 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM
Anonymous said...: The main mistakes are thinking mainstreet media is the word, what they say, how it is said, not true back up fact.; April 17, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe's got a wonderful reputation for doing a great job to keep Az. safe. Now as far as complaining about serving food to a criminal, do you really think the tax payer should be paying for a lavish meal? Are you sure your not from the aclu, or a group made of no sense lefty's?; April 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM

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