Monday, February 8, 2010

All Arpaio's Deputies To Get Immigration Training

Sheriff Joe Arpaio comes out swinging, saying his office's entire force needs to be trained in enforcing federal immigration law because he expects immigration-related problems to only worsen.

His announcement sparked immediate protests.

"He (Arpaio) is going to continue terrorizing the Latino community," said Alessandra Soler-Meetze, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona

Labels: department of justice, federal immigration law, illegal immigration

279 Comments:

Waste of Taxpayer Money said...: Is Joe Arpaio afraid to sue anyone?

As long as we tax payers are footing the bill he will sue anyone anytime anywhere.; February 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Mark Gasser said...: Hi Liz,
Sorry I didn't get back sooner. Thanks for your comment back, they were good words to see. Hope Simms and you can get over your differences. It is best we don't judge others. No one here knows the whole story behind the words of others. I leave that up to God, the only one with the whole story. Have a great weekend, with whatever you do.; February 13, 2010 at 2:40 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who posted this,

(Mark Gasser: I would like to ask you to express your views on the white-supremacists and their movement(s). Are they beneficial to society? Why do you think they are or are not?)

I have no use for any type of organization, who’s soul purpose of being, is believing they are better than someone else based on color. Of course white-supremacists are not benefiting society. They are ridiculous in their goals. Look around, America is not a white country to begin with, it is a country made from all colors, since day one.
I have more respect still, for Martin Luther King Jr., than any leader since him. Oh yes, I for sure blame the system running the Feds for his death. The same system took Kennedy out too. Two leaders that really did care about the interest of the majority. Their deaths more than prove, a single leader could never change the system, only the majority can. King didn’t care what color my skin was, I sure don’t care what color anyone else’s is.

When the majority realizes to love their neighbor instead of fight them, then the majority will have what is right for the majority. As long as we stay divided like the system bribes us to do, like two or more political parties, we are pretty much powerless.; February 13, 2010 at 3:05 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who posted this,

(Yeah Mark, let us know how you view Hitler and Gernamy in the 1930's and 40's??? I can't wait for this one. Also JW Simms blows chipmonks…)

Hitler was a TRUE ego maniac. He used the media to brain wash the majority. He killed all in his way to get to the top. There has never been any leader in our country, that I would compare to Hitler ever. However, I see the power of he media being used by our system everyday. The media controls so much in our everyday life, it makes me sick at times. Not just our news either, our commercials are a huge part of brain washing us all.

Here is a couple of examples of how commercials help the interest of the system, which is directly against the majorities interest, yet the majority buys into it. This is about oil, the GREATEST ruler of America.

One, We see car commercials bragging about cars that get 33 miles to the gallon. This is a complete joke. The K car got 40 to the gallon in the eighties. Yes, our cars can get far better mileage and do, when sold over seas. But not here. Here the system wants us to burn as much gas as possible, for two huge reasons. Great oil sales and great fuel tax revenue. By the way, the fuel tax is four times higher now. Oh yes, it goes up all the time, yet the majority remains blind to this. How? With the bad mileage our new cars brag about. If our mileage kept up with technology, the tax would have been cut in half at least. That is the last thing the system wants or can afford. Especially with 2 wars to pay for.

Two, Exxon has commercials about how they are helping to reduce CO2 emissions, buy using algae to make fuel and by having a natural gas burning plant that captures CO2. At least Exxon is admitting to global warming. Yet pretend they are helping the cause, when in reality, oil is the biggest cause of global warming. Exxon is about OIL.

Three, The Ford F 150 commercial tries to convince people we need a truck to survive the jungle high way. Why? Trucks burn way more gas than a fuel efficient car. This brain washing has been going on for years by all the care manufactures. Many women feel, if their husband doesn’t buy them a 4X4 for winter driving, it means their husband wants them to die in a snow bank somewhere. Other than the state of Arizona, where we have kick butt 4X4 trails, the majority doesn’t need a gas sucking 4X4 truck.

Yes the media is powerful. The system today is as close to Hitler as it comes. Not a single politician fore say, but the system that runs them all, could be call Hitler’s bro for sure.; February 13, 2010 at 3:36 AM
Mark Gasser said...: I may not know all Joe does I admit.

Still, I know we need a sheriff that is going to be very tuff on criminals and have a jail system, most are afraid to visit. Why do we need this? We have a huge over abundance of crime taking place here. More crimes and criminals per capita than most places. We can't afford the police protection the majority disserves, for many reasons. The new court house being a Huge one at the present, costing us near four hundred million? That for sure would of hired more police, like Joe said, instead police are going to be laid off. Joe warned of this, but no one with the power to do something about it, listened. As far as Joe wasting money on sweeps without enough arrests? I believe if his sweeps takes even one of Mexico’s drug lord workers, or a kidnaper, off our streets, it was worth every dime it cost. These people are killing American’s. The are here illegally and something has to be done to try and stop them. As far as the money it is costing, I see far greater waste of our money, than what Joe is spending trying to prevent crimes and save a few of our lives. Yes we need more police. Yes we need our police to make the best use of their time. I don’t find these sweeps a waste of time, not one bit.; February 13, 2010 at 4:00 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Arizona a boarder state
Joe's sweeps are called a waste of money by many here. However, doesn't Arizona have a special obligation to the rest of the states, being a boarder state and all? Mexico is supplying over ninety percent of the meth in America. Ninety percent of Columbia cocaine comes through Mexico. This means, a huge amount of these drugs come right through Arizona!

Joe’s sweeps are going to detour these drugs and stop some right here. No, Joe's sweeps won't solve these drug problems alone, but at least Arizona is making a special effort to slow it down. I think the rest of the states in our country expects and appreciate these sweeps, so should we. I for sure wonder what will happen, if Joe is not our sheriff? I don’t think this country can afford a different sheriff. What if we get one the drug lords can buy? Happens all the time to many county sheriffs. We know they didn't buy Joe, Joe goes out of his way to arrests the drug lord's carriers.; February 13, 2010 at 4:55 AM
Lawn Order said...: If Joe is not afraid to sue anyone why hasn't he sued, or even threatened to sue any of the media? Why hasn't he sued the Goldwater Institute or threatened them with libel?

Because Joe Arpaio knows that they are printing the truth about him. Even New Times hasn't been threatened with libel by Joe, MCSO, the CA, etc.

Unlike any other law enforcement agency that gets unfavorable press from time-to-time, though, his deputies have harassed the New Times' reporters.

So if Joe believes the reports are true, why don't those who keep harping on one issue that he does a poor job at, start reading?; February 13, 2010 at 7:16 AM
JW Simms said...: Man arrested in sexual assault of 13-year-old

El Mirage police said they have arrested a 23-year-old man in the sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl.
El Mirage Elementary School leaders called police Wednesday after the girl told a school official that a man she had known for about a year had sexually assaulted her, according to El Mirage police Assistant Chief Will Louis.
A forensic interview confirmed the girl's allegations. On Friday, detectives arrested 23-year-old Adrian Ramirez at his place of employment, a Furr's cafeteria in Surprise. Louis said Ramirez admitted to having sex with the girl.
Ramirez faces charges of sexual conduct with a minor and molestation of a child. In addition, Louis said Ramirez was found to be in the U.S." illegally " and he was placed on an immigration hold.

Was this your daughter or grand daughter? NO!!? remove sheriff Joe Arpaio from office and you too can be a proud parent or grand parent of a ruined child. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM
JW Simms said...: For all you limp wrist-ed anonymous posters and the Lawn Order person. When you walk into your 9-10-12 year old daughters room at 3am just to check on her and you find an " illegal Mexican " on top of her and the most guts you can muster up, will be to say, Sir!! as soon as you are finished! I would like for you to leave my house. Just remember the filth that trash will leave behind for your daughter to deal with for the rest of her life!!! J.W. Simms ( GO JOE ); February 13, 2010 at 9:09 AM
JW Simms said...: For ( Lawn Order ) I must say, we live in an indecent world. Being decent to indecent disgusting people, such as Liz F. is not a luxury I can afford, nor is it something I would care to participate in. Look at what is happening to the good ( Mark Gasser ) After his paying close attention to Liz F's crap!! he is heading down the wrong road. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 9:29 AM
JW Simms said...: Joaquin Shorty Guzman
Mar 27, 2009 ... Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman is one of Mexico's most wanted criminals. He heads an alliance of drug traffickers based in Sinaloa, Mexico.

( Lydia Guzman ) of " Somos America? " Hummmm makes me wonder. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM
Lawn Order said...: "Arpaio from office and you too can be a proud parent or grand parent of a ruined child."

Okay- now prove that! Fear mongering is lame.

Arpaio has not accused any of the media of mis-reporting. So he know's what he's done, and we do too.

Have a nice day Simms!; February 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Lawn Order said...: Some illegals are perverts like Simms. Simms- does that make you an illegal from Mexico?; February 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Lawn Order said...: So, Joe makes a big deal of enforcing illegal immigration laws. Nobody thinks those as well as ALL the laws (except maybe some of the old antique laws against eating peanut butter in church and the like) should be enforced.

They should be enforced by someone with respect for the justice system, for the taxpayer, and for the citizens for whom he works, and all their laws. That's not Joe Arpaio.

So fine, get someone as tough on immigration as you like. Just get someone who will uphold the WHOLE law, obey it himself, and not enforce laws with respect to persons (exempting himself and those he likes)!

So you can stop changing he subject and harping on that one issue, JW Simms. Nobody is saying illegal immigration shouldn't be stopped. It's a "straw man" issue. This site is about Arpaio and MCSO- not about the illegal immigration issue.

With regard to your earlier comments about decency: It's always appreciated. If you don't, you don't fit into civilized society. Look it up.; February 13, 2010 at 1:07 PM
JW Simms said...: Lawn Order!! You are a fool and a fool can't be told anything, they have to be shown the error of their way's and you will be shown!! and believe me it's going to hurt, all the way down to your foolish toenails. Now since this blog is about Joe Arpaio and MCSO and why I!! have so much respect for them I'll tell you why. The sheriff and MCSO are all about the law and preserving the laws as they are on the books. The sheriff is about protecting the taxpayer and the taxpayers money, the sheriff is about "illegal immigration" the sheriff is about criminal activity in the state Government, city Government, county Government and local Government. The sheriff is about the cheap shot judges, who rule in favor of those who promise them the most money. The sheriff is about the good of the taxpayer!!! that!! is what this blog is all about my foolish friend.

There, not a foul word in this entire post, so you can show it to your kid's and explain to them, what a fool you have been. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM
JW Simms said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 13, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Lawn Order!! You are a fool ..." The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. It doesn't matter if you call me all the names you like- I will not lower my IQ just to make you feel better. Nor will I sink to your level.

If I told you what mine is you would accuse me of bragging. Yours is quite obviously well below normal- you can't hide that by calling me childish names. That's why others have had to apologize for you as they would a badly behaved toddler, or a cat with a urinary tract infection. There's no point in trying to reason with you, who refuse to reason.

I didn't see a single source citation for any of your made-up facts in your post- never have. You did post a couple of what were apparently news items, I acknowledge. However, as I mentioned- Joe Arpaio has never refuted any news story or any scholarly report about his malfeasance. You didn't cite your sources. But thanks just the same for not using the majority of your vocabulary. Profanity is unwelcome and un-compelling.

Simms- you are a very angry person, and if you don't control it- it will continue to control you, and is bound to ruin your life.

Mr. Gasser has found that people are more receptive when he treats them as he would like to be treated. He is getting results, and not alienating people now. I don't think that most agree with him, but they disagree respectfully. Also of note are that his posts have more substance, and not just vitriol and baloney anymore. We see how you're begging him to sink back to your level. I don't think he wants to do that and stop enjoying the benefits of being an adult.; February 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Lawn Order!! In one of your idiotic post you asked me to prove that a child's life is ruined by being sexually attacked..." It never happened! It's maybe the most asinine claim you've made here, Simms. Which post would that be?

I never asked any such thing- ESPECIALLY of you. Provide the date and time! It never happened so you can't! I TOLD you that it ruins lives- I have known and helped victims of sexual assault. I told you this after you made light of it in attacking someone in one of your posts. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now- that you are confused. However, it wouldn't be the first time you've posted patent baloney. This might be the most outrageous (look it up). Who told you it's funny to make a fool of yourself? They were mocking you to your face.

You frequently make very perverse assertions- not me. I would never ask someone like you for an opinion on such an important matter.

You are trying to gin up hatred by making extremely reckless allegations. Nobody takes you seriously, Simms. You have yet to post a proven fact about Arpaio doing his job- just cheerleading. The issue is his malfeasance.

Please get some psychiatric help Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Lawn Order said...: Moderator Please strike JW Simm's posting from February 13, 2010 2:03 PM. It is obscene and slanderous.

Kindly ban his IP from future posts here. He has nothing of value to add to the discussion. His profane propaganda is unwelcome.

Children (under 18) have access to this blog, and there is no place for obscenity in a discussion of such an important matter as the quality of local law enforcement.; February 13, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Lawn Order said...: Moderator Additionally I believe that a large number of JW Simms' posts meet the legal definitions of hate speech under applicable state and federal law.; February 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Anonymous said...: THIS IS SIMPLE, NO GREEN CARD ......YOU GO BACK!!!; February 13, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Anonymous said...: "THIS IS SIMPLE, NO GREEN CARD ......YOU GO BACK!!!" - and this is the best defense you can give for Arpaio's abuses? That's right, it is.; February 13, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Lawn Order said...: THIS IS SIMPLE- Arpaio has abused the authority entrusted to him and must face the same legal system he's sworn to uphold.

THIS IS SIMPLE - this green card and immigration stuff is just a diversion. Arpaio has to face the music.

THIS IS SIMPLE - every time someone makes a factual point that shows how Joe Arpaio is failing, someone tries to change the subject.

THIS IS SIMPLE - people will keep ignoring these attempted diversions and post yet more about why Arpaio is failing

THIS IS SIMPLE - when the courts are not doing Arpaio's bidding people attack them. These are the same courts he has used to further his agenda and those who complain now, were silent about the courts then.

THIS IS SIMPLE - here's a recent example:

Judge rips Sheriff Arpaio on lost profile case files

by Craig Harris - Feb. 13, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
A federal judge has imposed sanctions on the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for destroying evidence in a racial-profiling case, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio must answer questions regarding an immigration file he kept.

U.S. District Court Judge G. Murray Snow's order, released Friday, also calls on the Sheriff's Office to try to recover e-mails that were deleted and to swear under oath to steps it took to gather the records.

The racial-profiling lawsuit was filed in December 2007 following a sheriff's crime-suppression operation in Cave Creek that included the arrest of Manuel de Jesus Ortega Melendres [a US citizen].

Read the rest here: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/02/13/20100213judge-rips-sheriff-arpaio.html

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Remember- nobody complained about this media when they were aiding Arpaio in his publicity seeking.

This highlights:
1) The ineffectiveness of these "crime sweeps" which primarily had publicity value

2) Joe doesn't keep accurate records and will illegally destroy those he has, if he thinks it will aid in covering up his lawbreaking; February 13, 2010 at 4:57 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order, I thank you for your insights. JW Simms should not be allowed to take over this board with his abusive, ignorant and, quite frankly, disgusting posts. I am glad to see that the blog moderators have deleted most of his previous posts, many of which were directed at me. Although I did not request that they do that, as I am a grown up and can handle Simms' childish behavior, I am not in a position to wash his mouth out with soap and put him on the time out chair. I appreciate the fact that others are intolerant of his foulness, whether it is on my behalf or not.

I also want to thank you for commending Mark on 'toning down' his posts and making them, in my own words and not necessarily yours, although I think you probably agree, more "this is my opinion and thank you for giving it consideration" and less "this is my opinion and I'm going to ram it down your throat". I think Mark brings up some valid points. I just think he hasn't come to the conclusion that Anti Joe does NOT equal Pro Illegal. I hope I gave him food for thought on that topic with my posts about how he and I think alike and differently.

I am hoping that there is a new KPHO blog soon addressing some of the articles on other boards, including Stoddard's appeal, Lovejoy's lawsuite moving forward, and the Fed's sanctioning Joa Arpaio for his office's lack of integrity in the deletion of emails and shredding of documents in the upcoming litigation over the violation of legal US residents' civil rights. I think the MCSO seizure of the shared computer system a few months ago was directly related to this in an attempt to make sure that no one who might turn Fed Witness would have any access to those emails. These stories are on other sites and hope they end up here soon as these blogs seems to have garnered a good following.

Hope you're having a good weekend, and thanks again for your positive comments.; February 13, 2010 at 5:29 PM
Lawn Order said...: You're welcome, Liz. This needs to be about Arpaio- period. The only people fooled by the illegal immigration posts are those who post them. There's no need for anyone to resort to vulgarity, and there's no point in doing so. I have seen it on both sides.

None of Joe's supporters have yet defended against any of the accusations regarding how Arpaio performs his duties and how he and others in the department are compensated. They haven't posted a single verifiable factual response.

In fact, their posts have been "unresponsive" in the technical sense of the word. You, I and just about everyone seem to agree that a respectful discourse is more productive.

I often wonder how these supporters of Arpaio would like a Sheriff who would do his whole job, including immigration enforcement- without wasting all the time and resources on publicity. Not to mention lawsuits.

Or- as many are suspecting more and more- do they have another agenda that they are trying to hide. If that one issue is so important, and there's no other agenda- why depend on someone who's so undependable?

Thanks for calling attention to the other stories that should be given attention. The evidence against MCSO is mounting. And it saddens me to say "MCSO", because I know that there are quite a few fine public servants who are being forced to do Arpaio's bidding rather than just serving the public as they want to.

I spoke out against banning Mark, during his beligerant phase (and not always as Lawn Order). But Simms is posting obscenity and hate speech which are not protected by the law of the land. The posts of his that do not include those elements are useless insofar as the issue is Arpaio's job performance. However, he has to be banned because of the obscenity and hate speech.

Simms talks about child abuse in a racist way, then posts obscenity and hate speech readily accessible by children. So it's obviously not any degree of genuine concern for others that motivates his "concerns". He gives the impression of being mentally ill, at least to me. It seems that others feel likewise.

This is KPHO's blog, and they are under no obligation to give anyone a voice- especially a racist pervert. I want his IP address blocked so that he can't post his trash as someone else. If need be, I will speak to KPHO's General Counsel to try to get that rolling, even though they don't host these pages themselves.; February 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I have encountered Simms on other blogs under other names. He is no different there, and has had his user id cancelled repeatedly. I agree with you - I do believe he is mentally ill, whether that's a true 'mental health disorder' that he's not receiving medication for, a drinking or drug problem, or just an angry violent person. I'm guessing his relationships with persons of the feminine gender have failed because of abusive tendencies, and he's probably frustrated over that. He sure seems to like to be verbally abusive to me in a manner that suggests a sexual overtone. Like I said, here and other places, he's the same. He needs to get smaller buttons, because the ones he has are easy to press. It's a matter of self control and maturity. If you can't count to 10 and rethink your responses, you're likely to say something stupid and out of line.

As far as Mark goes, I just don't want to have the eternal sparring going on. He has his opinion and I have mine. We actually do agree on some issues. Where we don't agree is on Joseph M. Arpaio, and that's what these blogs are about.; February 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM
JW Simms said...: Lawn Order said...

"Arpaio from office and you too can be a proud parent or grand parent of a ruined child."

(( Okay- now prove that! )) Fear mongering is lame.

Arpaio has not accused any of the media of mis-reporting. So he know's what he's done, and we do too.

Have a nice day Simms!
February 13, 2010 12:13 PM

Enough said pal?
PS: Lawn Order you're a big fat crybaby!!! Moderator! please remove that crybaby from my computer, Thank you. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Smell the Whiskey Tango said...: JW Simms is the typical white power cry baby. Born into a lower middle class family his father beat him every night to attempt foster discipline in the boy.

Was yo daddy a coal minah?

I need what a rotten piece of trash you are little man. How is it going to feel when you spend another Valentines day alone little man?

:); February 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM
JW Simms said...: Liz F - North Phoenix, Lizzy baby, you! are as phony as a three dollar bill. Don't forget Liz, I know who you are and what you are. Yes, some of my post have been deleted as you have so piously mentioned. what you have failed to mention is that some of yours have to. in particular, the one where you said, F--- you to Mark Gasser, yes sir, quite the lady you are Lizzy. You would do better to be more concerned about your new found friend, Lawn Order and less about J.W. Simms. Your new friend sounds like he's about to have a stroke every time he/she makes a post here.By the way Lizzy, you have never encountered J.W. Simms on any other blog's, as a matter of fact you have never encountered anybody!! like J.W. Simms in your life and still I! know who you are and what you are. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 10:21 PM
JW Simms said...: KPHO's General Counsel? Whoa there Lawn boy!! Geez, as upset as you get, you're more likely to have a stroke or a heart attack then ever make it before the General counsel. Relax my friend, take it easy, the good sheriff Joe Arpaio is on the job, so no need for you to fret so about things. The sheriff is taking care of business as usual, so things are still good and will get even better, I promise little buckaroo, so you go nite nite now and have a peaceful sleep and remember sheriff Joe is watching over you tonight. J.W. Simms.; February 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe is a douche bag. He'll be forgotten 10 seconds after the feds remove him from office.; February 13, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Lawn Order said...: Simms: "PS: Lawn Order you're a big fat crybaby" That's your response to my challenge to prove that I said what you claimed? Not too impressive. Read on...

Fat? Hardly- guess again. Kinda' proves my point about your "facts". "Crybaby"? I would have to have several massive strokes before the likes of you could make me cry.

Please get some mental health help for your own good. And Liz isn't frightened by your utter garbage about her being watched. If you think you can get away with threatening her (or anyone), you will find out about the laws against terroristic threats. This is a blog, but you can't threaten people like that and expect to go unpunished. Got it? You will. I carefully considered whether you were even worth the time it took to type this. I felt you should know what's coming down and why. You planted some weeds- now you get to sow what you reaped.

I know she has said that she could care less what you say (and I believe it). I feel the same way about your utter baloney. True, Liz has expressed herself in ways that I have criticized you for, but nothing like your sick, perverse expressions. And she has stopped that. You haven't.

Your brand of name-calling is worthy of a 6th or 7th-grader in a blighted inner city school. I am sorry if you have issues that make it difficult to help yourself, but you need to deal with that. And nobody here needs to deal with you or apologize for you anymore.

You will be banned. I will see to that. You don't add a whit of intelligent discourse to this blog. And that's hard to do. So there's no need to keep you around. Congratulations.; February 13, 2010 at 11:56 PM
FOX #1 said...: KPHP 15 is like a Dog on a Bone over Sheriff Joe. You should stick to Reporting the News and not your Reporters & Managements opinions on this and other issues. This is how you lose and have lost viewers.
And you people that are Against what he is doing, what part of "illegally entering the Country" do you not understand? How about when they "illegally Enter your Home", or "illegally use & Steal your Identity? I'll bet you will get upset then. I'll bet you might even call the sheriffs office! I suppose you think all the Drugs brought over the Border are okay too?

If you're new to the Valley, 12 & 15 are Liberal run stations. Always bashing everything the Founders of this great nation fought and Died for. Trying to turn Arizona into a "Blue State" A.K.A. "Sanctuary State". Maybe they got Obama, but they miss Jayno terribly. And they don't value or believe much in our Constitution either. Just give everything to "illegals" and ignore our Laws of America that they don't agree with. It's the "Open Borders Crowd". People in the know call them "The Spinners". I'm done with you. We have "Choices" where we can hear the Truth and make up our own minds. We don't need a station that "Slants" the News, or reporters that sit there and "Shake their Heads" after reporting something about the Sheriff.; February 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Lawn Order said...: "You planted some weeds- now you get to sow what you reaped" - obviously doesn't make sense!!!

Should read: "You planted some weeds- now you get to reap what you sowed".; February 14, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Lawn Order said...: FOX #1- you obviously don't have a clue! You cited no sources for anything you said. And we were all taught not to talk to strangers. You obviously have an agenda. Name some names: Who make up the "Open Borders Crowd"? And who gets to decide that?

I haven't heard anyone actively advocate for open borders. In fact, quite the contrary.

'People in the know call them "The Spinners".' - which people are those? Nobody anyone has heard of, obviously.

Granted local news on all the stations consists of little more than sound effects, slogans, and plugs for other programs and for their websites.

"Fair and Balanced" is nothing more than a slogan, you understand? They all do some reporting, sometimes even journalism. It's up to you to be smart enough to separate the facts from the hype. That often requires comparing different "newscasts". I have to put that in quotes, because newscast isn't defined the same in the new vernacular. The dictionary has yet to catch up.

So you might want to Google "Joe Arpaio" and find out what the news is.

Try posting again- but have the class to do it on a website hosted by the station you're plugging.; February 14, 2010 at 12:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey Channel # 5,,,where's the News about Terry Goddard going to Mexico for a meeting on how to stop the Flow of "illegal Cash" into Mexico to the Drug Cartels fueling the Violence in Mexico? Where's the News about what we need done to Prevent "Human" and "illegal Drug Smuggling across our Border"? Too busy supporting the ACLU and covering up what's rally going on? How dangerous it has become here on this side of the Border? And people like our Sheriff trying to keep us safe is somehow against what your Station stands for?

You spend so much time watching our Sheriff that you miss what else is important in Arizona? How about the Drug busts this week in Az. How about the Drug Busts since the first of the Year? You have a lot of catching up to do. When Sheriff Joe either retires of "Tires' of all the Bull, what will you do with yourselves? How do your Sponsers feel about your Campaign against the sheriff? Isn't a News reporters job require you to stay neutral? Do you think your viewers are so stupid that you have to make them think a certain way? Objectivity makes a Good Journalist. At least it used to. You're not "Telling it Like it is". You're telling it like you want others to "think". Remember Dan Rather? Hmmm. What do you suppose I mean by that?; February 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Anonymous said...: "If you're new to the Valley, 12 & 15 are Liberal run stations. Always bashing everything the Founders of this great nation fought and Died for. Trying to turn Arizona into a "Blue State" A.K.A. "Sanctuary State""

Point out one time Date, time, newscast anyone bashed the Founders. Your other statements are equally nonsensical. So your support for Arpaio. See how it all fits.

NOBODY is for illegal drugs, human smuggling, money laundering (the AG is trying to STOP that, in case you missed it). So deal with the fact that your Sheriff is under investigation for breaking the law. It's been on the news and in all the papers.; February 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To Anonymous who posted this,

(Hey Channel # 5,,,where's the News about Terry Goddard going to Mexico for a meeting on how to stop the Flow of "illegal Cash" into Mexico to the Drug Cartels fueling the Violence in Mexico? Where's the News about what we need done to Prevent "Human" and "illegal Drug Smuggling across our Border"? Too busy supporting the ACLU and covering up what's rally going on? How dangerous it has become here on this side of the Border? And people like our Sheriff trying to keep us safe is somehow against what your Station stands for?)

Some good points you make here. What did ever happen to neutral reporting? Why don't they tell the truth about all the crime here?

There is one simple answer. The system that loves Mexico in a third world country and loves the modern day slaves, owns our media too. The most neutral news I found here is, the PBS News hour. The system ran media twists the truth and reports on news that really isn’t the news we all should be hearing about. We don‘t need opinions, we need the truth.. But good luck finding the real news and the truth, in our main stream media.; February 14, 2010 at 2:56 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Why don’t Joe sue?

I ask an attorney friend this question, regarding other stories in our media. Like when we were convinced China was drilling for oil fifty miles off our shores. A complete out right lie, yet no one got sued over it. My friend explained, as long as there is one small bit of truth in these completely miss guided reports, there is nothing anyone can do about it. No, Joe can’t sue goldwater or media opinions. But I don’t have to watch it or read it. I’ll stick to the PBS News Hour. No it isn’t as entertaining as main stream news, but news really isn’t suppose to be entertainment, it’s suppose to be about the facts, not the opinions of locals new reporters in an effort to entertain. If I want to be entertained, I’ll watch main stream news. If I want the real news, I’ll watch PBS or I’ll find other sources for the real truth and news.; February 14, 2010 at 3:11 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who speaks of liberal news stations.

If this is fact, which I am not questioning, then Fox is right winged, right? It is a well known fact. But the truth of the matter is, both liberal and Right politicians, don't pass laws and sign bills to benefit the majority, they sign bills and pass laws that benefit the lobbyist bosses interests.

As long as the majority keeps cheering for it's political party like we do our favorite sports team, the system has nothing to fear from the majority. Divided in half the majority is powerless. But a united majority is all power. Why do you think there is talk of the Constitution being out dated? The constitution gives the majority the power to control all of our politicians. The lobby system is powerless, once we say so. It is for sure time to say so, don't you agree?; February 14, 2010 at 3:55 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Who Bought Joe?

Joe is the only politician I know, that doesn’t do as the system bribes him to do. Why? Joe gets his election money from the majority. He did get over a million in contributions from people in all fifty states last year, and it wasn’t even an election year.

Other politicians get their campaign money from rich business owners. Oil is one business that bought all Federal politicians, including every president we ever had, since oil started.

Yet who has bought Joe? Not the system that gets rich from Mexico being a third world country. The system that uses and loves slaves to get richer. The system needs and depends on the modern day slaves both here and in Mexico. The Feds call Mexico our best ally. Chanel 5 and the other main stream media, don’t report the horror happening right now from Mexico, both there and here. Why? They’re not going to make America’s best ally look bad. Instead they make big News out of Sheriff Joe. Why? Because the same system owns our media. Hitler knew the power of the media, do you think the system doesn‘t realized the power of the media? You have to remember, these are the smartest people in the room. Not to mention the riches.

Joe knows all to well about the system that doesn’t care about the majority. He is the only politician that stands up to the system. Joe arrest their slaves when they come here illegally.

Yes I want to change the system that runs our politicians. But until that happens, I’m going to support the only politician, who the system doesn’t own. Joe is paid for by us the majority, not the system.; February 14, 2010 at 4:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Why are we wasting tax dollars letting illegals have civil rights cases, just deport them, they have no rights being here illegally period.; February 14, 2010 at 6:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Illegals & corrupt polititions/lawyers stop your whinning about, boo hoo family here. abolish the idiot law when illegals in usa having babys here illegally for citizenship. you all need to go back to mexico!; February 14, 2010 at 8:14 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Ummm, Anonymous above who said "Why are we wasting tax dollars letting illegals have civil rights cases ..."

Are you refering to Melendres vs. Arpaio?

That's just the point! Melendres is NOT an illegal. He was detained because he was Hispanic. Furthermore, when Joe was deposed on the case, he said "You know what it is? It's this civil rights stuff - all that crap." His office also shredded documents and deleted emails related to the case and other similar claims of civil rights violations and Joe's attorney acknowledges that the destroy documents would have been damaging to Joe's defense.

Joe Arpaio and his henchmen are all crooked as corkscrews. How can you justify supporting him?; February 14, 2010 at 8:26 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order -

I hope that Simms' deleted comments are still on record with KPHO's blog administrators. If he threatens me again, I will contact law enforcement. It would take the police about 5 minutes to track him down. Just the fact that he repeatedly comes out here for the sole purpose of spewing his immoral vomit on us proves that he has some serious issues and some intervention may be in order.; February 14, 2010 at 8:31 AM
J.W. Simms said...: Joaquin Shorty Guzman Mar 27, 2009 ... Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman is one of Mexico's most wanted criminals. He heads an alliance of drug traffickers based in Sinaloa, Mexico. ( Lydia Guzman ) of " Somos America" Any relationship here? Maybe KPHO can take a break from all the Joe Arpaio bashing and investigate this, inquiring minds would like to know. J.W. Simms.; February 14, 2010 at 8:34 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Or maybe Joe Arpaio can take a break from shredding documents and deleting emails and investigate this, and KPHO can REPORT on the results. I know someone named Scott Simms. Should I automatically assume you're related?; February 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM
J.W. Simms said...: Liz F - North Phoenix said...

Lawn Order -

I hope that Simms' deleted comments are still on record with KPHO's blog administrators. If he threatens me again, I will contact law enforcement. It would take the police about 5 minutes to track him down. Just the fact that he repeatedly comes out here for the sole purpose of spewing his immoral vomit on us proves that he has some serious issues and some intervention may be in order.

:Shut up!! you retarded old hack, just because I know who you are and what you are, DOES NOT!! constitute a threat, I did not! say that I was going to shove that dead puppy up your ass, I merely said that I would "like" to shove that dead puppy up your ass. If that statement constitutes a threat, see you in court baby. J.W. Simms.; February 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Thank you for proving my point, Simms.

I repeat, you have some serious issues and some intervention may be in order.

And yes, those do constitute threats.; February 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM
J.W. Simms said...: Liz F - North Phoenix! Gee Lizzy, I do hope that this last post does not upset you in any way. Since it is clear to me, that I have indeed gotten to you, something that you! said I could not do, coupled with the fact that, ( In my opinion ) you are a vile, disgusting excuse for a person, whom I have no further use for. Therefore Lizzy I bid you a "not so fond adieu."

PS: This means we can no longer be Valentines. The enchanting Mr. J.W. Simms.; February 14, 2010 at 9:14 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: No, Simms, you haven't "gotten to me". I find you crude and disgusting, but that's just because of your stellar personality.

You said you "know who I am" which implies that you know my identity, and could, concievably, locate me. You know "what I am" (and the contemptuous sentiment expressed again with your above post that I am a vile, disgusting excuse for a person) which implies that you see me as some THING of no worth, and you have expressed a desire to commit a violent act against me".

This, taken in context with the other rage you have expressed toward me, and your clearly unstable mental state, do indeed legally constitute a viable threat.

No, I'm afraid you're right on one point, Simms. We definately can't be Valentines. I hope this is indeed 'adieu', fondly or not.; February 14, 2010 at 9:22 AM
Lawn Order said...: Simms- nobody takes your posts seriously. Your implicit threats may be another matter.

So you want to go to court? Alright. We'll see how you like Joe Arpaio after reality sets in (if it can make it through that thick skull).

You used up every effort to correct you- I guess that's what the Dept. of Corrections is for. ;-); February 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey Channel 5 February 14th 2010...UPDATE~~Last night, 4 people dead from illegal street racing. And your Top News Story is still "Beating Up On Sheriff Joe"? Get with the Program. You have wasted enough time and resources on this already. You cater to a bunch of Morons that use "Childish Names" to insult the Sheriff, like "Nickel Bag & Joke". What a bunch of extremly immature readers you have. I suspect the ones that complain the Loudest are the ones that Joe has had his Deputies arrest for Drugs or similar Crimes. I don't even know what a "Nickel Bag" is, but I'm one of the Law abiding AMERICAN CITIZENS that will continue to Vote for him.

The Childish responders that compare our Sheriff to Hitler apparently don't know their History at either. And most Honest people don't care what the ACLU has to say. They are against everything that is Right with our Country. And we are glad to be rid of Napolitano too. Trouble is, she does a worse job in Washington than she did here in Arizona.

Our Sheriff stops "illegals" and returns them to their Country or Origin. They steal our Jobs. Steal our Identities. Steal our Cars. Break into our HOMES as well as OUR Country. Sell Drugs to our Children. But THAT is OKAY with you? What part of "illegal" Don't You Understand?; February 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Anonymous said...: For the record, a "Nickel Bag" is $5 worth of drugs. It is not a nickname given to him by KPHO or the people who post here. It is a nickname that was given to him by his fellow DEA officers for his propensity in picking up small time players during his 'not as sensational as he'd like you to believe' career with the Feds.

Also for the record, this blog site is not the 'headline' section. It is the blog site. There is also a weather site, a traffic site, and entertainment site and many other pages.

And lastly, for the record, I am also a law abiding American Citizen. I have never voted for Joseph Arpaio and never will.; February 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Lawn Order said...: To whoever posted "For the record..." and "Also for the record, this blog site is not the 'headline' section. It is the blog site."- here here!!!

These people are desperate to change the subject. Like their hero, they can't defend against the truth. That's why he hasn't challenged the media when they've reported on his legal troubles. Neither have they- except to call names. Obviously they are desperate, and they don't mind calling attention to it.

Where were these people who are now calling the media names, when Arpaio's PR stunts were helping them sell advertising? The media covers both sides, particularly whatever will get viewers, or readers to help them sell ads.

That's how it works. If anyone cares to address a single fact with a factual counterpoint (never been done) that you can cite a source for- WE'RE ALL WAITING!!!!; February 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Mark- Respectfully - I asked you to name the sources of news that you feel are accurate about a week ago. All I got was more unrelated drivel. You have now, finally, named "PBS". You said there were "others"- please name some.

From PBS- have a look at the video from "NOW on PBS" (above the viewer comments that will appear from the link I posted below), Mark: http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html#viewerComments; February 14, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's one issue I do agree with Arpaio on (God forgive me).

Lovejoy should have been procecuted for his blatent disregard for the life of the dog he says he love so much.

I absolutely believe that we should have no sacred cows, i.e., police officers, nurses, doctors, etc. who are not procecuted for their missteps like the rest of us, not held to a different standard. Boloney, there should be no exceptions. These people do not walk on water and should be held accountable just like any of us would.

The excuse is always. "we need them." Well, we don't need the bad ones.

My wife happens to be a retired RN. She has seen time and time again people in these industries healthcare and law enforcement)treated differently and not be held accountable. It has to come to halt.; February 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Here's one issue I do agree with Arpaio on (God forgive me)." One of many (who do you think you're fooling, other than yourself?)- please do tell us- on what do you disagree with him?; February 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Anonymous said...: If Lovejoy, in your opinion, should have been found guilty of a felony, and remember that his own department did an investigation and found him negligent but not criminal, and did dicipline him, then in your opinion, what should have happened to the MCSO deputies who had their dogs die unexpectedly while in their LE partners' care? One would expect that they would also be investigated and disciplined, but that did not happen. What should have happened to the detention officers who were involved in the deaths of jailed people whose families subsequently won settlements against Maricopa County because the facts of those cases would likely indicate fault and responsibility on the part of the officers? What about the MCSO deputy that was caught doing 95 mph on Grand Ave in Sun City in his silver Corvette with no proof of insurance? What do you think should have happened to him? He recieved a simple speeding ticket, as a matter of professional courtesy. Don't you think his boss, our Sheriff, should have held him to an accountability matching the offense?

It makes no sense to hold Lovejoy to a higher standard than we do any other law enforcement officer, especially the Sheriff. However, our sheriff is one of the dirtiest politicians in the history of this great state. Happy 98th B-day, Arizona!

I agree that they should not be treated differently, but I also believe that Joe treats his own officers differently than he would treat anyone, and I mean ANY other person, LE or not.

Lovejoy did face his consequences. Many MCSO employees have not. That is what needs to come to a halt.; February 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's the PBS link that will take you right to the video. Mark Gasser prefers PBS, so I would like to know what he thinks of this:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

I also am eager to find out what other media he thinks is unbiased. And the earlier question about why nobody complained about any of the local TV stations or newspapers when they were primarily a PR outlet for Joe Arpaio is a good one. Were they biased then, too- or have they changed for some reason? What reason?; February 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Wow!

Anonymous, thanks for that post with the link.

That is 100% Joseph M. Arpaio and a truly insightful look into the thoughts of a corrupt politician when confronted with facts.

I might have to keep a closer eye on PBS from now on. The last time I watched them, it was Sesame Street.; February 14, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Seriously, people who are out here looking for the truth about Sheriff Joe Arpaio need to check out the video from PBS posted by the above "Anonymous" poster. This speaks volumes of a corrupt politician in front of a camera.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

Thanks again, Anonymous, who ever you are!; February 14, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who posted this. About PBS and Joe with the link.
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

It did prove one thing to me again. No, not even PBS is completely un bought by the system. I always knew this, and I never said the system didn’t own PBS. I said PBS is the most un bios report were going to see in our TV Media.

As far as for any ground breaking proof against Joe in this report, they didn’t have any. They talked about response times, saying Joe’s deputies response time is slower since he started his illegal searches. Well, that is not proof, it is speculating that his response time has changed because of man power being used on these illegal sweeps. The fact is, crime is growing big time right now in our valley, thanks to Mexico. If there is more crime, it’s going to take longer to get to the next one. Nothing in that report proves that the sweeps are causing this problem. The reporter in the end, talks about how murder has climbed here, as if once again that was Joe’s fault? Joe’s job is to bust the murders, not prevent them, not with the flood of crime we are having here he can’t. Again, the time spent on sweeps is blamed for the rise of murder here? When in reality, these sweeps are preventing future murders?

Then they also talked about crimes of rape going unsolved? Not sure what they were all trying to imply with this? That Joe has no problem with rape? That the sweeps were taking the time of detectives? Sorry, Joe doesn’t use rape detectives on sweeps, yet if you watched this report and take their implied words as the real truth, you of thought just that. Joe said, it was the police departments job to investigate these rapes. The reporter never gave Joe’s side of the story, only side of the twist the media choose.

I’m not a blind sheep, I can see what is true in their words and what is twisted facts. Just like Joe said, he doesn’t like statistics because they can be twisted. The Goldwater Report is a great example of that. Which I proved in earlier post.

Yes the modern day slave loving system, even controls PBS, when it comes to the slaves. Not to mention plenty of other systems that run PBS. Oil is one, we see these Exxon commercials on PBS all the time.

This report has proven one thing to me. The system is desperate and trying any and all techniques they can use to get rid of Joe. Hitler used the media, the system does too. I find it so ironic when people call Joe Hitler. The real modern day Hitler, loves the modern day slaves and owns your American media.; February 15, 2010 at 1:57 AM
Mark Gasser said...: We need Joe for sure

Yes we need the toughest Sheriff in the country right here. At least un till us tax payers are willing to triple the amount of tax dollars we spend on law enforcement. Yes we need something to help curve crime here. Police that enforce all the laws and police that are doing something about the flood of crime from Mexico. The Feds call Mexico our countries best ally. I don't want drug dealers and killers for my best friend, but the system here has no problem with it. The system makes billions from the modern day slaves, here and in Mexico. At the expense of both Mexico’s and America’s majorities. Yes the system that loves the slaves and owns our media hates Joe. If you are not a criminal or a blind sheep, you should support Joe.; February 15, 2010 at 2:18 AM
Anonymous said...: GO JOE, ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL! AND THINK OF THIS, ALL OF THE LEGALS ARE PAYING FOR THE ILLEGALS, THEIR MEDICAL, THEIR JAIL TIME. WE CAN'T GO TO MEXICO AND EXPECT TO GET FREE ANYTHING!; February 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Yes, illegal means illegal. That's why the MCSO is facing sanctions for illegally destroying evidence. All criminals should be prosecuted, including Joe.; February 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Everyone needs to start making a big deal about the abusive powers from our corrupt government.; February 16, 2010 at 6:53 PM
tkm said...: All I can say is, he is tackling a serious problem that Arizona has, Illegal Immigration is, by definition, ILLEGAL! If the illegals are so terrorize, why not just pack it up, ans go home? Goo job, Joe!; February 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM
A retard says, what? said...: "the illegals are so terrorize, why not just pack it up, ans go home? Goo job, Joe!"

Been retarded long?; February 18, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Anonymous said...: There's common sense, try using it!; February 19, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Anonymous said...: If it works, why fix it...Now what does'nt work is our government in Wash./polititions, that's something that does'nt work, we need to fix it.; February 19, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To the perfect blind sheep, who smells like a child and posted this,

(smell the dumbass said...
"Alot means nothing because it is not a word in the English language
and therefore should not to be used.")

Most here understand what is meant by alot, even thought the correct words are "a lot." Us adults can figure that out, we don't need a perfect butt whole to waste words explaining this. Go back to your school desk and sit down, your wasting class time with your ignorance. By the way brilliant, "dumbass" isn’t a word either. Yes we can smell you.; February 21, 2010 at 2:25 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: A retard says, what? said...
"the illegals are so terrorize, why not just pack it up, ans go home? Goo job, Joe!"

I REST MY CASE, YOUR HONOR.

"goo job" ????; February 23, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Just because our sheriff has done an exceptional job, the people that are against him have to go after his work ethic. So, straighten up & get some common sense!; February 27, 2010 at 7:59 AM
Anonymous said...: You people who are against Joe for having excellent work ethic have none what so ever.; February 27, 2010 at 8:02 AM
Brittanicus said...: Sheriff Joe Ariapo is doing his duty and that means eradicating illegal aliens from American soil. If the Arizona law passes, I pity the--SANCTUARY STATE-of California--millions of illegal aliens will be packing and making a headlong rush for California. The state is already reeling from near bankruptcy, because of the illegal immigration invasion.

Our nation is being invaded and colonized. As is our duty, We the People will resist.

The cost to the American people WOULD BUY A COUNTRY, just as the Overpopulation growth we will inherit in 2040.. Read the truth about corruption and the illegal immigration occupation of our country at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIALWATCH, IMMIGRATIONBUZZ, RIGHTSIDENEWS & DIRECTORBLUE. THEAMERICANRESISTANCE Copy and Paste No Copyright. Get the truth to THE PEOPLE! ONE FLAG, ONE LANGUAGE. LEARN WHO YOUR ENEMY IS IN WASHINGTON?; March 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Clarity said...: "Channel Five tactic; put an idea into the public’s head by making an accusation that they have no evidence to support."

Actually that SHOULD read as follows:
"MCSO tactic; put an idea into the public’s head by making an accusation that they have no evidence to support."; March 9, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Anonymous said...: Well the melting pot is full and some one needs to put a lid on it!
Joe and maricopa county are the only one to go against the Mexican revolution and try to up hold the laws we voted in.
The FEDS are in a tizzy trying to stop him as they say one thing and do another as usual following a trail of money and votes.
Another example of the federal govt ignoring the laws we the people voted in!
Take the med marijuana law we voted in two times the state gov and the Governor ignored completely for example.
Want to find out why?
Follow the money.
Ya Joe!; March 10, 2010 at 5:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe does his job in a way it should be done all over the US. The reason he resorted to the means he did is simple no backing from those who should have backed him.
Had he been let alone think about it we wouldn't have so many problems with illegals and crime in Arizona. But no politics and bureaucrats just had to try and stop him. Napolitano tried everything she knew to stop him while she was governor. And now she has a position where she can dig and fig until she digs something up no matter what and no matter how long ago.
They want to put Sheriff Joe behind bars just like they did the border patrol who were in fact protecting what they were paid to do and what they found in their hearts was right.
Personally I say back off let these people who care about America do their jobs!; March 10, 2010 at 6:07 AM

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