Sunday, February 14, 2010

Judge Finds Grounds To Sanction MCSO

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office is in trouble for destroying evidence. We just have to wait to find out how much.

A federal judge has found grounds for sanctions after some sheriff's officials admitted to deleting their e-mails and shredding records of traffic stops made during crime sweeps.

A lawsuit accuses deputies of racially profiling Hispanics during the crime sweeps.

"I am extremely happy in the courts finding," Arpaio said in a statement. "My office will we be cooperating fully in this matter. At the end of the day I am confident in my deputies and the service they provide to the citizens of Maricopa County."

The judge said he'll wait until related issues are sorted out before punishing MCSO.

Labels: crime-suppression sweep, melendres v. arpaio, racial profiling, traffic stops

309 Comments:

Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Law N order,

Lawn Order has been posting a great deal of interesting, enlightening and factual material that supports his basis for his (and many others') opinion of (to plagerize a reference from a poster on another blog) the KKKorrupt KKKrook Arapio.

Yes, he has also expressed an opinion (and a valid one, at that) about another poster, who is unarguably "pro-Joe" who provides nothing but page after page of rambling opinion with no documented fact to back it.

This is an ongoing discussion and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Lawn Order debating opinion with another poster. This other poster (and many others) have also expressed opinions about each other and each others' opinions.

It's the nature of blogging. Relax and enjoy it, or don't do it if peoples' responses to your post annoy you. Life's too short to be defensive and annoyed all the time!; February 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: More interesting reading on Arpaio and his goon Henderschot and his back pocket CA Andy Thomas. This happened a couple of years ago, but it shows the grossly outrageous political manuvering and waste of tax payer money the Thrillsome Threesome are intent on. It's also important to note that the judges listed in this lengthy article have all had complaints filed against them by Henderschot and Thomas. If you haven't paid any attention to the corruption in the Sheriff's Office and the County Attorney's Office, this is a good story to start becoming educated with. It speaks of the inappropriate use of grand jury subpenoas, the incompetence of a hand-picked special prosecutor, and if you ask about the relationship between the County Attorney Andrew Thomas and his hand-picked special prosecutor, you may be very SURPRISED! This clearly demonstrates an ONGOING, DELIBERATE and DISPROPORTIONATE abuse of the power of the MCSO and the MCAO to silence Arpaio's opponents and that includes normal every day people like you and me that surf the web, read and write. It was with this article that I became vocal about my disgust of these clowns.

http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/19/breathtaking-abuse-of-the-constitution-mirror-copy-by-michael-lacey-and-jim-larkin/; February 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Or try cutting your way through this rambling complaint by Henderschot. Even I, as closely as I have followed many of these personal vendetta battles originating in the MCSO and MCAO, had a hard time following it. It's indeed NO WONDER the Blimpe doesn't remember WHO is involved in the "conspiracy against Joe" (other than Napalitano and Obama - LOL, although he fails to remember that the investigation was opened under Bush's watch). Apparently EVERYONE is involved and he just can't remember all of the names. I know it says "New Times" in the link. It is a pdf of Henderschot's letter and contains to editorial comment. It's the conspiracy summed up in Henderschot's own words (prepared by Candy Andy, or Lisa Aubuchon because we all know "law speak" when we read it and Blimpie sure isn't a lawyer).

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/Mundell%20complaint.pdf; February 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Ooops, that should say "and contains NO editorial comment".; February 20, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Lawn Order said...: Judge finds grounds to sanction Arizona sheriff

By JACQUES BILLEAUD (AP) – 6 days ago

PHOENIX — A federal judge has found grounds for sanctioning an Arizona sheriff's office for its acknowledged destruction of records in a lawsuit that accuses deputies of racially profiling countless Hispanics in immigration patrols.

U.S. District Judge Murray Snow held off on imposing the sanctions against the office of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio in the Friday ruling, but indicted he would do so at a later date once related issues were ironed out.

Since early 2008, Arpaio has run 13 immigration and crimes sweeps consisting of deputies and posse volunteers who flood an area of a city — in some cases heavily Latino areas — to seek out traffic violators and arrest other offenders.

The handful of Latinos who filed the lawsuit against Arpaio's office alleged that officers based some traffic stops on the race of Hispanics who were in vehicles, had no probable cause to pull them over and made the stops so they could inquire about their immigration status.

Arpaio is known for tough jail policies, including housing inmates in canvas tents, and pushing the bounds for how local law enforcement agencies can confront illegal immigration.

The U.S. Justice Department said it's investigating his office for alleged discrimination and for unconstitutional searches and seizures, but won't provide any details of its examination. The sheriff believes the inquiry is focused on his immigration efforts.

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For those who ignorantly maintain that the Feds encourage illegal immigration- why do you think he was granted authority under Federal immigration law under the Bush administration, then under that same administration was investigated for civil rights violations? Because they thought he took extra-constitutional license with the authority he'd been given. That's why.

They wanted the immigration laws enforced or they would have restricted the authority to do so as much as possible. But that is not what happened.; February 20, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order, you are absolutely correct. They retained the 287g authority in the jail so that anyone who is duly arrested for any viable probable cause will be subject to immigration status checks upon entering the jail. This is because they enter the jail because they have been picked up for a viable probable cause. (BTW - "Probable Cause" does not mean "appears to be Hispanic"...)

A very recent quote from Joe Arpaio, which will, in the end, be sighted as a "Classic" is his under-oath statement, while being deposed in the Melendes v Arpaio civil suit currently underway:

"You know what it is? It's this 'civil rights' stuff - all that crap!"

Imagine! A county sheriff refering to our civil rights as "all that crap!" And yet there are people out here that think he is the Second Coming. I don't understand it.; February 20, 2010 at 5:56 PM
Lawn Order said...: If I am not mistaken, all US jails and law enforcement have that same 287g authority- it's nothing that Arpaio can brag about- but that doesn't stop him. People need to step back from their zealotry and see the big picture; but those who don't, paradoxically say the same.; February 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Correct - In a recent interview, Joe was quoted as saying that he hoped his (MSCO run) jails got credit for the 31,000 illegals that had been processed. This was in an interview where he was being questioned about the fact that 31,000 illegals had been processed through the jail's 287g program but something less than 4,000 of those had been arrested by MCSO deputies. The inference is that the other 27,000 were arrested by other departments. But, as always, Joe wanted to take credit for all of them because they were processed in "his" jail.

Now, on the other hand, when "his" jail can't get inmates to court for their scheduled appearance, he wants NO CREDIT for the failure.

When "his" jail ends up with ANOTHER DEAD INMATE, he wants NO CREDIT for the failure. When "his" jail is sighted for failure to provide adequate medical care, he wants NO CREDIT for the problems in medical care and communication.

When his SWAT Team blew up a home in Awawtukee and one of his SWAT officers drove a 9 month old family pet dog into the inferno with a fire extinguisher, his officer did nothing wrong, although witnesses were abundant. They were all silenced.

When Joe Arpaio's personal attorney, Dennis Wilenchek, hired Andrew Thomas to a position where he could have a desk and an income while campaigning for the County Attorney's seat, and then Dennis Wilenchek was hired as a "special prosecutor" in compensation for providing Candy Andy with a job and income during his campaign for CA, Joe thought it would all be veiled. Too bad Larkin and Lacey threw themselves under the bus to expose it, huh? Joe didn't anticipate that one. Neither did Henderblimpe or the Back Pocket County Attorney, nor the over-reaching personal attorney, former boss, looking for GLORY Wilenchek. LOL. That was a great long weekend, blogging on AZCentral!

Humph! What a situation we have on our hands.

How do we get the Sheeple to see the light, Lawn Order? Are we destined to the cliche that there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE?; February 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Lawn Order said...: Liz- very well put: "...something less than 4,000 of those had been arrested by MCSO deputies. The inference is that the other 27,000 were arrested by other departments. But, as always, Joe wanted to take credit for all of them because they were processed in "his" jail."

Your other points are quite salient, and remind thinking people that Arpaio poses a danger to the people he's sworn to protect.

I need to dig up some info on the 50 cal machine gun obtained by MCSO, and the use to which this goofball intended to put it. That's one example, there are others. He's a danger to society, not a protector. I don't understand why the loud but inarticulate supporters of his don't want a better Sheriff!; February 20, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Lawn Order said...: Liz- it's not up to us, it's up to them when it comes to "Are we destined to the cliche that there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE?".

One of the first things you learn in college psych class, or any psychotherapy training is that you CANNOT help those who do not want it. Least anymore think that I am involved in the psych field or a related one- quite different, actually. But I have always been interested in knowing what makes "people tick", or self-destruct and take others with them.; February 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Least anymore think", should obviously read "Lest anyone think" - typing while tired. And I guess, proofreading while tired. It's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!; February 20, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Have you noticed that the AZCentral boards have been void of any of these timely articles? I haven't seen any in the past week or two that have stayed there longer than a couple of hours. Given the fact that there has been article after aricle after articlek I find the lack of message boards on AZCentral very odd. Something must have happend over there to make them wary of comment sections.; February 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Have you noticed that the AZCentral boards have been void of any of these timely articles?" Sorry to say, I haven't spent much time perusing their boards. I check there a couple or three times a week, but the comments are mostly very short, and often just tangentially related to the topic of interest (to me). Many of those posting there seem to have done their homework though. And they have the same makeup of ignoramuses who just post pro-Joe propaganda too. That is "tale[s] told by [idiots] full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"- William Shakespeare's Macbeth, from Act 5, Scene 5; February 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Well, Lawn, no disrespect intended ...

I have posted at AZCentral for a few years and they normally have at least one Shurff Joke board going at any given time. Recently, though, nothing has been hitting their hot button. I don't recall exactly what the last one was, but it was out there for like 4 hours and then disappeared. They have not carried the Sheila Polk video or the Candy Andy video or the David Henderschot video or the Joe Arpaio (deposition) video for more than an hour or two, if at all. This leads me to believe that their editors are under pressure of some sort. I'm not saying that I'm right about that... I'm just puzzled by the lack of stories / comment boards over there. It's odd, after so many years of articles that paint Joe in a bad light. Something has changed over there but there is no indication what it is.; February 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: I saw Polk and Hendershott testimony video on their website this afternoon. Here's a link: http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html

You can call me "Lawn"- you're a grownup and I know you're not name-calling. It's those who who try to divert attention from the issues with childish name-calling that I have a problem with. I have a bigger problem with whomever tries to misrepresent me by adding a single space to my handle. That is dishonest, and well represents the Sheriff's self-defense tactics, I think.; February 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order,

While I appreciate the link, my point is that if you browse the headlines, none of these stories are there. You can do a search and find inactive boards, but these are the 'headline' boards:

Small plane crashes into building in Texas (1996)
'Tea party' speaker calls for senator's hanging (1094)
Report warns of double-digit spike in health premiums (806)
IRS attack part of long line of tax protesters (345)
Sarah Palin lashes out at 'Family Guy' (1212)
$1.5 billion in housing aid coming to Arizona, 4 other states (407)
Arizona legislation would lengthen divorce wait time (706)
Tea party planner admits making 'hanging' remarks (366)
New law allows loaded guns in national parks (333)
Sharp tuition hikes sought for Arizona universities (298)

It is a rare occurance in AZCentral history that NO Jow Arpaio article is around to comment on - even if it isn't in the top boards. There is NOTHING there. It just seems odd to me. The link you posted, while valid, has been buried. You have to search for it to find it. That's what I find odd.; February 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Lawn Order said...: You're exactly right- I had to search for it. I can't comment on any changes, though, since I don't visit AZCentral that often.

It might be worth asking their editor about. If you do so, please let us know what you find out.; February 20, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Lawn Order said...: I just came to mind: On the other hand I watched at least part of their newscast on Friday and they featured a story in which David Bodney deposed Hendershott and others. I don't know if they are trying to bury anything or run from the "wrath of Joe". It's a twisted tail.

I don't think we'll know nearly the full extent of his malfeasance until his successor takes office- assuming that he or she is an honest lawman/woman.; February 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM
Mark Gasser said...: to the rocket scientist who posted this,

(MarKk Gasser- nonsensical rambling isn't worth a response. Have a nice day. And for those who would like to know what is going on with Arpaio's MCSO:)

You are too much and you are the one who rambles on and on about media web links, over and over again. Get a GRIP blind sheep, your media isn't controlled by us the majority, it is ran by the system. No, just because something is printed or seen on TV, does not make it the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Yes our media is ran by the system. The exact same media strategy Hitler used. Why do you think we didn't hear the Dixie Chicks on our radio media anymore, after they spoke their mind about Bush and the system? Open your eyes blind sheep, the truth really doesn't hurt near as bad as being blind.

The links that I’ve checked out, I more than pointed out the whole truth to their words. No, I don’t have time to go to everyone, but if I did, I would sink them as well.

Let me know your best link against Joe. I will look at it, then get back to you with the real story.; February 21, 2010 at 3:17 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Mark,

Have you seen the video where the Shurff says that illegals get their corn from drop houses, so stopping corn vendors is a bigger picture than racial profiling? The same video also includes clips of his officers being beligerent, telling witnesses to shut up (while MSCO was marching children out of an apartment with their hands in the air and guns pointed at them - CHILDREN, Mark. Little kids!)

Maybe not THE BEST EVER link, but a good one that shows what MCSO is made of.; February 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM
Lawn Order said...: Mark, you should get on Sheriff Arpaio about using those nasty media outlets for his publicity stunts. Let him know what a blind sheep he is about "the system ran (sic) media", or as you called it yesterday "the Hilter ran (sic) media".

Here's a good one:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/02/21/20100221hendodepo0221.html; February 21, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Lawn Order said...: Hey Mark,

You might want to tell Arpaio to stop issuing all those Press Releases. You know who he sends them to, right? No? To the "the system ran (sic) media", or as you called it yesterday "the Hilter ran (sic) media".

Here's a recent example that should make your face light up (and no need to thank me- just glad I can make that little face light up):

http://www.examiner.com/x-16231-Maricopa-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m2d4-Sheriff-Arpaio-steps-up-efforts-to-apprehend-illegal-aliens; February 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here's a quote from a Time magazine article:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929920,00.html

"The sheriff says he is keeping the peace, but it seems as if he is doing just the opposite — a useless, reckless churning of fear and unrest."
— (New York Times editorial, April 9, 2008)

As usual, Mark Gasser will respond to this with something pointless- so I'll save time by replying to him ahead of time: kadsk adkasdf asdfkjla dfskj; February 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Lawn Order said...: Here's another quote from the article
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929920,00.html

"Says he provides the cheapest prisoner meals in the U.S., at just 15 cents each. He also reduced meals in the country's prisons to two a day, to save on labor costs. Inadequate meals were one reason a federal judge ruled against Arpaio and the county in 2008, finding that they violated prisoners' constitutional rights by depriving them of appropriate health care and housing them in unsanitary conditions. The judge noted that many inmates were forced to eat moldy bread and rotten fruit."

******** end quote *********

When someone brags that he feeds animals better than humans, as Arpaio has- there's something wrong. He's a sadist. And he attracts sadists.

Again anticipating an unfounded childish response from Mark Gasser, I will reply in advance. Mark, it was with great interest that I ignored your post.; February 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 21, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: Note the intelligent posts of the Joe supporters, but not on this blog nor, I suppose any other. For those who prefer facts to perverse name-calling:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a conspiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: JW Simms is an idiot.

He needs to go crawl back under the rock he came out from under before I file a flippin police report for threatening me.

Yes, Simms - I HAVE dealt with someone like you before. Contrary to your post that "I had never met anyone like you", yes, I have. I made sure he did 7 years in prison. He's still there.

Don't drop your soap, Scum.; February 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: JW Simms also delights in using crude and disgusting langauge. Usually people who can not express themselves in an appropriate manner have no viable social or intellectual skills. They resort to beligerence and profanity for lack of an ability to rationally express themselves.

JW Simms fits that description.

Remember, Biohazard (aka JW Simms): If you threaten me again I will be filing a police report.; February 21, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Lawn Order said...: Joe's supporters are showing their desperation. Yeah- they're real concerned with protecting children and the rest of civilized society.

Simms- crawl back into your hole. Nobody would be surprised if you fancy yourself an astronaut. So head back to Uranus.; February 21, 2010 at 6:14 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 21, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Lawn Order said...: Thanks for your posts, Liz. I don't care if Joe's supporters post stupid, pointless drivel- it just shows who they are and what they represent. Those who read these blogs have come to expect that from them. They cannot support their position with fact- provable fact, that is.

However, there are lines of decency that should not be crossed in public. In fact that's written in the law. Maybe, as you suggest, he can't wait to get back to his buddies in jail. Perchance to catch a glimpse of his idol. Simms shows he has no regard except for himself. Diagnosis- psychopath?; February 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Liz F - North Phoenix said...

JW Simms also delights in using crude and disgusting langauge. Usually people who can not express themselves in an appropriate manner have no viable social or intellectual skills. They resort to beligerence and profanity for lack of an ability to rationally express themselves.

JW Simms fits that description.

Remember, Biohazard (aka JW Simms): If you threaten me again I will be filing a police report.
February 21, 2010 6:14 PM

Sorry Lizzy, Got no time for you. J.W. Simms.; February 21, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Good, JW, because we've got no time for you either.

You are not helping your "cause" by the way you act out here.

Anyone can see that you are an ignorant, foul-mouthed fool from your posts. How many people do you think you will bring over to "your side" acting like that? Most 12 year olds know better than that.

Which one are you? Sousa or Palmer? You're all a bunch of foul mouthed, beligerent morons.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/04/joe_arpaios_gendarmes_skewered.php; February 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order,

"Psychopath" would be a "gentle" diagnosis.

By the way, if you haven't seen the video of Joe saying that the illegals get corn from the drop houses, check out the above-posted video.; February 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Thanks, Administrator!; February 21, 2010 at 7:10 PM
Lawn Order said...: Thanks for the link to the video. I found the sound track very annoying, but the part you mentioned with Joe saying "Our intelligence shows they get their corn from drop houses"! He's talking about people trying to make an honest living selling flavored corn! Man, that is classic- and says all you need to know about the collective intelligence of Arpaio's MCSO. Apologies to those who are trying to be professional enforcers of the law, but have instead to do Arpaio's bidding.

He seems to think they are using these drop houses as a front for legal activity. I mean- what better place to buy grains? Do they sell condiments, ice cream and cold beverages at drop houses too?

It could be a law enforcement version of "This is Spinal Tap". But it's real! This is the guy who is idolized so fervently by so few. He's all that stands between some of the citizens of Maricopa County, and the criminals! How is anyone supposed to sleep at night?; February 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM
Lawn Order said...: For those who idolize Arpaio for his claimed effectiveness at incarcerating those who are here illegally. Here are some excerpts from KPHO from the Sheriff's own mouth, but later fact-checked. You can find the whole story here: http://www.kpho.com/news/22505869/detail.html

“We've been very, very successful… approximately 37,000 illegal aliens that this office has been responsible for investigating, arresting, detaining," said Arpaio.

Nevertheless, the sheriff’s own internal reports, obtained by CBS 5 News, show those numbers don’t tell the full story.

The sheriff’s internal statistics show his human smuggling unit made 3,671 arrests as of early February. The first 12 crime sweeps netted nearly 700 arrests -- about half of those arrested were for immigration related violations.

More than 31,000 of the 37,000 arrests were made by other police agencies. The arrestees were brought to the jail to be processed by sheriff’s detention officers.

“I'd hope they gave us credit for what we do in the jail," said Arpaio.

Arpaio said while other agencies made the initial arrest, his detention officers were the ones to question the suspects and tack on additional immigration violations.

Arpaio said his office is leading the charge in enforcing state human smuggling law, and that has helped reduce crime across the Valley.

"If it wasn't for us, those 31,000 would be roaming the streets again," said Arpaio.

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It appears that, for all of their noise and name-calling- the blind sheep are the ones who are repeating Arpaio's falsehoods and exaggerations and taking his word for his effectiveness without question or further scrutiny.

No wonder they get so angry when presented with facts!; February 22, 2010 at 2:10 AM
Mark Gasser said...: A response to “lawn boy’s” words below,

(No wonder they get so angry when presented with facts!)

Who is the angry one? Who posted anonymous then lawn boy then anonymous again? That is you lawn boy, talking to your self as usual. Yes you have proven you are an angry miss lead juvenile. Yelling at people on here to read goldwater. How angry did it make you, when I proved goldwater to be piss? No, your blah blah blah, has yet to anger me. Truest me, I don’t sweat the little things in life like you.

The twisted statistics you keep trying to get all to read and swallow as facts, really isn’t why you have so much hate for Joe is it! According to you now, everyone in MCSO is corrupt. What did they all do to you, enforce the law? To bad, no matter how mad you get and no matter what you say, we will always have the MCSO. You are a great example of why we need them, you proved you have a problem with all law. Hmm, maybe that is why you refer to your self as law n order when you post lawn order? You went from Gabrielle‘s lawn boy to a law n order god? You think you are above the law? Think again!; February 22, 2010 at 4:31 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To Gabrielle’s solo lover who wrote this,

( : Lawn Order said...
Mark, you should get on Sheriff Arpaio about using those nasty media outlets for his publicity stunts. Let him know what a blind sheep he is about "the system ran media", or as you called it yesterday "the Hilter ran media" : )

You seem to be confused here. Joe doesn’t own any media outlets. Joe doesn’t control any either. That would be the system. The system ran media chooses what stories they want to air. They choose who they will put on the air, not Joe. No, the system ran media doesn’t air Joe’s best interviews over and over again, like they do the ones they find ways to twist the truth in.

Everyone here but you knows, the media attacks Joe every chance it gets. Why? Joe bucks the system that uses Hitler’s media tactics to brain wash the majority. Hitler’s media tactics used by the system may of brain washed you, but there is a lot of us out here with open eyes. We see the real news stories in our streets, that the media never sees. We KNOW the truth about the lobbyist control in our country, even though it is never told in the brain washing media. The media is not where you learn the truth about the system, it comes from open eyes. It is clear you are blind, to say Joe is controlling the media?

I suggest you get out of that cloud of hate for the law you are in. It will be your fall, Mark my words.; February 22, 2010 at 5:09 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Liz,
Can you list one or two video links for me to see? I don't have time to see all listed here. I will watch them and let you know what I thought of them.; February 22, 2010 at 5:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Sherrif Joe Arpaio is the best sherrif in the United states !; February 22, 2010 at 8:38 AM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; February 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM
Lawn Order said...: I'm sure that most who want to know what Arpaio's MCSO is up to and accused of have read these, but for those who haven't:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a conspiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html

AND - Liz, keep posting those new ones as you find them. They are quite enlightening and dare I say, entertaining.; February 22, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Lawn Order said...: "Sherrif Joe Arpaio is the best sherrif in the United states !" I agree- he's a very poor Sheriff though. Come back and see us when you know the difference!

And give some specifics that can be verified in the public record- not PR propaganda.; February 22, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Anonymous said...: The most stunning thing about the whole Arpaio affair for me is how dumb his followers seem to be. There seems a be a prerequisite of having an IQ of > 85 to be a loyal Arpaio follower. I guess you have to be really dumb to ignore all of the man's faults just because you like his immigration polcies.; February 22, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Lawn Order said...: I think you meant: "There seems a be a prerequisite of having an IQ of < 85 (less-than 85) to be a loyal Arpaio follower." I'd say 85 seems sort-of high. I'd guess more like 70, but they'll take whomever they can get.; February 22, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Lawn Order said...: One of Arpaio's most vocal supporters here claims to have disproven the Goldwater Report. How? He doesn't say. That report cites 85 sources of information- he cites none. He says that you just have to open your eyes to see it's false. It took him three days to read the 20-page report. Lots of it is taken from the public record, the rest carefully researched- and, again, verifiable citations are given for all of the items reported. His sources? Himself and his vicissitudes which he apparently considers infallible. Is he saying that the public record is wrong or misleading or that Arpaio's own statistics are flawed?

That's just a sample of the non-existent reasoning ability of his followers. What about all of the other reports, and court documents. Apparently in his opinion if they don't flatter Arpaio, they must be wrong0 factually and morally. This is nothing more than hero worship. The kicker? He accuses everyone else of being a blind sheep. He is evidently unprepared to make his case to a grownup. He thinks name-calling and slander are convincing argumentation. I think that 85 might be giving credit where it isn't due.; February 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Fact: Mark Asser is an idiot; February 22, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Lawn Order said...: He hates the facts, too. He lashes out when someone has the unmitigated temerity to post anything other than Mark Gasser's opinion. It's fun- AND productive!; February 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; February 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...: What if all people broke the laws, I guess we would have enough people for a cause, like illegals do. We have toxic media from our toxic government running our country, controlling every aspect of our lives!; February 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey, channel 5 being progressive works for you, not for me. You take comments off you don't agree with. You wonder why low ratings, find both sides about Joe it might help.; February 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Lawn Order said...: To whomever wrote: "We have toxic media from our toxic government running our country, controlling every aspect of our lives!"

Did you post that here? It's a rhetorical question. That disproves your premise, does it not? There are plenty of red herring in the sea. Why not try some of the following links and inform yourself of reality. Or just Google "Arpaio". There's plenty available. Of course if you are convinced the whole world is out to get him, nothing's going to help you. You'll always be miserable. However, you'll like the next Sheriff better- he/she really can't be worse.

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a conspiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 22, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Anonymous said...: "You take comments off you don't agree with." Not true, not honest. They have removed comments that are obscene. All anyone has to do to see that you are full of it is take a couple of minutes and see that all points of view are represented in the available comments.

If people can stick to some basic standards of decency, their comments will not be removed- whatever point of view they represent, even those that are ridiculous.; February 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Jack said...: They shot Huey Long, the Kingfish, didn't they?; February 22, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: I have to agree with the "toxic media from our toxic government" since I have seen Arpaio on the TV promoting himself more times than I can count. As far as "controlling our lives", all I can say is- get a life!; February 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who said this again!

J I'm sure that most who want to know what Arpaio's MCSO is up to and accused of have read these, but for those who haven't: J

So because the news says it, it is what Joe is up to? Don’t see nothing about all the illegals arrested last weekend? Don’t see nothing about all the meth backs he arrested?

You are a broken record lawn boy. With no ability to think for yourself. You only know what the media brain washed you into knowing. Posting the your same gem news stories over and over and over again. If we want the news to educated us(brain wash us) we will go to the news.

You lawn boy, have not once said a word of your own. It is clear lawn boy, you are either a complete blind sheep, or someone is paying you to make a complete fool out of your self here. Get a better job lawn boy, we’re sick of your hourly repeated posts. We’re sick of you posting anonymous lawn boy anonymous. You talk to your self! You need more than a real job, you need some serious mental medical treatment. No health insurance maybe? Thank the system you so love and support. Maybe when Joe arrest all the illegals, there will be some tax dollars left for you. Or let me guess, you will be gone when Joe arrest all the illegals. Go Joe go.; February 23, 2010 at 2:57 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this anonymous,

(Fact: Mark Asser is an idiot)
Lawn boy, you keep posting your ignorance, get a real job.; February 23, 2010 at 3:04 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this anonymous,

(I have to agree with the "toxic media from our toxic government" since I have seen Arpaio on the TV promoting himself more times than I can count.
“As far as "controlling our lives", all I can say is- get a life!”)

Aw, poor lawn boy. Did someone attack the Hitler strategy media system you so love? Don’t cry to hard, you will grow up one day. (maybe)

Now you say Joe puts himself on the media, then promotes himself? Joe doesn't run the media, the media chose to put Joe on TV. Did his words promote himself? No kidding rocket scientist. He's not going to twist facts and statistics about himself, like the media does.

It is you lawn boy, that needs a real life. Getting a little lonely for ya, posting the same words of others over and over again? Then showing us all your intelligence with your anonymous posts? Get your butt off the computer chair and step into the real world. Or are you afraid a bad guy might get you? Don't worry, Joe is cleaning up the streets, even for the ones who don't disserve it. Ah, your are afraid he’s going to clean you up! Go Joe go. Get the garbage off our streets and into the tents.; February 23, 2010 at 3:28 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Good vs. bad

Lets look at the evidence for both, then decide who Joe is.

Bashers evidence of a bad Joe,

1) Complaints from the city officials that spent four hundred million on new court house. Claiming Joe debated this waste of money unfairly. The media backed these officials. Fox 10 News accused Joe of doing anything to get money for police and firefighters. To bad Joe didn’t get what he wanted right? But Joe was only one man against the system and their Hitler media tactics.
2) Lots of media stories. Like the goldwater piss report that uses graphs and charts to prove Joe doesn’t do his job. I proved this report bogus, just by opening my eyes. Or media publicized polls. That use only 800 people to come up with their figures. Of course Channel 5’s story never mentioned that part of the story. Sorry, 800 selected out of four million, doesn’t even come close to accurate.
3) Other abuse claims:
A) Joe’s jails are un fit, when in reality they are the best.
B) Joe racial profiles, when in reality, all illegals from Mexico are Mexican.
C) Joe’s deputies are not polite, when in reality, they are no different than other areas that don’t have enough police to arrest all the law breakers, and have to use scare tactics to discourage crime. Like having a jail that sounds very scary. I bet lawn boy will think twice about drinking and driving? Sounds like he’s having nightmares over the thought of tent city. I guess Joe knows what he’s doing, if you open your eyes, you will too.

Joe’s evidence of a good Joe,

1) Joe is a law enforcer. Yet the bashers claim he doesn’t arrest anyone, then they claim he arrests to many. It is amazing how the media gets away with both sides of the coin isn’t it?
2) Joe enforces all the laws. No other county sheriff in this entire country, will arrest a modern day slave, for just being illegal. This means Joe is the only politician I know that doesn’t do as the rich system bribes.
3) Joe was right when he said new court house, bad for majority. The media defends still, the ones who have Joe in federal court on abuse of power charges. The same people who spent the four hundred million on the new court house, instead of using the money to keep police and firefighter‘s jobs. (Who does the media help out? I’ll give you one clue, it’s not the majorities interest the media cares about. You’re right! The media helps out the system that owns them, but not Joe.)
4) Joe brings national attention to the modern day slave issue. The supporters of making all illegals legal, should love Joe. But instead they are brain washed into thinking Joe is bad for their cause. Gee, I wonder how that could of happened? Not.
5) Joe is saving the county a billion dollar bill, by insisting on tent city. This is one spending the officials did not win. Yet.

Conclusion,
Joe is doing a better job than any other sheriff could possible do. The system uses the media and graphs to say Joe is bad. When in reality Joe is good. Good for the majority, bad for the rich controlled system.; February 23, 2010 at 5:13 AM
Lawn Order said...: "Joe’s evidence of a good Joe," Uh huh. Joe thinks and has convinced people who can't think for themselves that he's a superhero. That doesn't make it so.

If someone wants a Sheriff who enforces all the laws without violating civil rights of anyone including US Citizens- they are a Joe hater, or basher? No- they're an informed and concerned citizen.

With a name like Gasser- is it really wise to be making fun of others, Mark? You notice how the informed adults don't have to sink to your level? We can all see from your NUMEROUS posts that you don't have any real evidence, but seriously- can't you do better than your lame name calling? Guess not....

Joe keeps making news for all the wrong reasons. So Mark, why don't you complain to him?; February 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Lawn Order said...: And, Mark, the only thing you proved about the Goldwater Report (which took three days for you to read) is that you don't comprehend it. That's okay- it was written for grownups.

You haven't ever listed a reliable source for what you call facts- you think that everyone should just accept your ill-informed opinion. That's not going to happen.

Since I know how much you hate the facts about Arpaio- here they are again- well, a few of them. People can just Google "Arpaio" and get lots more researched and verified reporting from reliable (non-Gasser) sources. Then they can make up their own minds:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a conspiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 23, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Typical set up by our dishonest progressive/no sense government. Joe is a man of honor. All you suckers out there getting your news from progressive media, If our gov. really worked for us, they would be more worried about jobs/economy.; February 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Government has to be able to multi-task. Several priorities can then be handled at once. Here is a sample, 1) Get rid of bad apples like Joe Arpaio, while, 2) Passing a Jobs creation bill.

I ask you, can both issues be handled at the same time? Of course they can.; February 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Government has false character, people did'nt look at character before our government supposedly was voted in. The background of Obama/terroist alone should of alarmed voters. He has done very little for us, just one disaster after another, just like him & his cronies with Arpio. Arpio has character!; February 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Not several..First priority should be jobs/economy. Second priority should be putting Most of Capitol Hill in JAIL!!!!; February 23, 2010 at 4:50 PM
Old Hater Retards said...: "The background of Obama/terroist alone should of alarmed voters."

is that code word for Black president? So because he is black and his father was Nigerian he will support Terrorism? I think you need to see past the black for once and open your hate filled ignorant eyes.; February 23, 2010 at 4:51 PM
Anonymous said...: "Not several..First priority should be jobs/economy. Second priority should be putting Most of Capitol Hill in JAIL!!!!"

We can always start with uppity sheriffs who open their mouths and stick their self important noses where they don't belong. If Napolitano does not like Joe, then it is not her fault, Joe antagonized her and his is getting exactly what he asked for. If you willing stick your hand in a bees nest you get what you deserve.; February 23, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Lawn Order said...: "All you suckers out there getting your news from progressive media," Yeah- we don't make it up for ourselves. You get your news from coloring books, right?; February 23, 2010 at 4:58 PM
Lawn Order said...: You want to be taken seriously- and you think the President is a terrorist? There's nothing anyone can say or do to help you. Just please stay away from the rest of society. Paranoid delusions are obvious to observers, but can also be contagious.; February 23, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Typical race card, you know it has nothing to do with the color black! So many people are brainwashed!; February 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Some word of advice, really now your running politition, as we did with Joe, realize what the progressive agenda's all about!; February 23, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Progressive agenda=Cloward & Piven, ya might want to read it. Give a one clue on agenda, do what ever it takes to make Arpio look bad. Agenda does'nt want another top prioriy fighting our boarders/illegals/terrorists!; February 23, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Arpaio does plenty to make himself look bad.; February 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Yes, I am serious If you knew what obama was & is all about, & what he is doing as we speak, being ignorant before now is'nt very smart of you.; February 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: This thread is about the monster known as Arpaio not Obama. You tea baggers always try to change the subject. I hope the judges are extra cruel when they finally indict Arpaio for his abuse of power.; February 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: By the way, Top priorty should not be fighting Arpio, which has our best interest in Az. boarder. Washington's top priorities are ass backwards. their top priorities are Healthcare, Global warming, getting people out of the way for their agenda, NOT THE ECONOMY/JOBS,TERRORISTS/KEEPING AMERICANS/OUR TROOPS SAFE, THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING B.S. Oh & government does has a tendency of changing their words to make you all believe in their horseshit! As you all have been informed Government has done little to help us americans!!!!!! Now that's really what I call corruption+jail time.; February 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Are the judges under our government/progressive agenda? There is no changing a subject like you do. The corrupt polititions against Joe for his respect from people who want boarders to be safe, have been after Joe for awhile. So, who's trying to stop boarder safety? Of course corruption out of Washinton,DUH.; February 23, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: What are your american values? Less government=more american freedoms, Productive citizens or collect from government{tax payer} do you deserve to be lazy? History lesson...Capitolism works, Socialism does not!; February 23, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Anonymous said...: What has our government done for you? Nothing much...We need some honest people with good character!; February 23, 2010 at 7:12 PM
BORDERS said...: Are the judges under our government/progressive agenda? There is no changing a subject like you do. The corrupt polititions against Joe for his respect from people who want boarders to be safe, have been after Joe for awhile. So, who's trying to stop boarder safety? Of course corruption out of Washinton,DUH.

"who want boarders to be safe"

BORDERS

Are you really that stupid? Is anyone?; February 23, 2010 at 8:18 PM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; February 23, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Lawn Order said...: All those people who board in the approved ways should be safe!!! Safe from Joe Arpaio.; February 23, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Lawn Order said...: Look! Let's get real. If a politician like Arpaio can fool these people- how bright can they be? Expecting them to know what is going on is asking too much. Let's cut them some slack.

If they want to worry about boarders, let them. The rest of us can worry about law enforcement.; February 23, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Lawn Order said...: To whomever wrote: "What has our government done for you? Nothing much...."

Just a coouple of points:
1) Arpaio is the subject of this blog
2) Speak for yourself

If you drive, who do you think made the roads?

Do you bring your own trash to the dump?

If there's a fire, who do you call- a government agency? What about if there's a police emergency- part of the government.

If you lost your job and collected unemployment insurance, you might appreciate what the government did.

The list goes on.

Having said all that- the government is somewhat corrupt and quite inefficient. And if you think it's bad in the US- it's even worse elsewhere. That's mostly due to greed politics. And nobody really expects it to improve, though it seems that everyone wants it to.

Arpaio is a politician of the worst stripe. Don't just take my word for it- inform yourself by reading something other than his copious press releases.; February 23, 2010 at 10:48 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Mark Gasser said: Liz,
Can you list one or two video links for me to see? I don't have time to see all listed here. I will watch them and let you know what I thought of them.

February 22, 2010 5:27 AM

Sure, Mark. Here are a couple of them:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/04/joe_arpaios_gendarmes_skewered.php

Most of this video is disturbing, but the part where Joke is screaming about corn coming from the drop houses is actually pretty funny.

A great one! Paris Hilton didn't like her LA confinement, so Joe stepped in. Is this REALLY the guy we want in power here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVcL4kuhokM

Love this one; Joe says that corn comes from drop houses. Most of the video is pretty disturbing, but Joe's Corn House part is funny:

Want More???? I have hundreds of them!

XXX
OOO; February 23, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Mark Gasser said...: Hi Liz,
I looked at this news link you sent.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/04/joe_arpaios_gendarmes_skewered.php

I would like to point out the facts in this article. First of all the title.
(“Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Anti-Immigration Martyr, Raised $1.2 Million in '09. Despite What He Claims, He Doesn't Need the Money”)

It is clear the reporter is implying, all the people who gave Joe money, did it for his stand on illegal immigration. Not a bad reason to contribute to Joe, but there is nothing in the report that remotely proves these words. The 1.2 million was sent by thousands, none of which said it was for his immigration stands. This is just one way the media deceives us.
Second, the title is implying Joe doesn’t need the money. For sure these words were written out of pure emotion, with no basis to any facts. The picture too, proves this article was written out of pure emotional jealousy of Joe.
That’s just what the title and picture tells, lets look at the words in the article a bit closer ok. Like the second paragraph.

(“In fact, Arpaio's most recent campaign finance report shows that the surly sheriff garnered a staggering $1.2 million in donations in 2009, much of it from out-of-state donors hit up with fundraising pleas.”)
These words are implying Joe is campaigning in all 50 states, since the 1.2 million came from donators in all 50 states. Sorry, 2009 is not even a campaign year. This is an out right lie. Most people that donated, never seen anything from Joe’s campaign office. Yet if you take the reporters words as fact, that is what you would think. These words were spoken without any facts what so ever to back them up. They are spoken out of emotional spin from the reporter only.

I find this next paragraph a bit ignorant, to say the least.
(“For the most part, these donors do not appear to be the influential lawyers and wealthy developers who typically contribute to political campaigns. These are, instead, a near army of little-known citizens, writing checks for whatever they can afford.”)
The arrogant reporter went a bit to far with these words. Saying unless you are an influential attorney or a big business developer, your voice is not important? Fact, when it comes to the government, these members of the majority have just as much voting power as any attorney or rich developer. Together they have the financial power too. For sure the reporter sees the treat the majority has empowered here. To bad if the reporter finds the majority insignificant, in reality, the majority is all power, when we speak together. 1.2 million for a county politician proves that for sure.

This next paragraph shows pure emotion by the reporter. Again implying that the majority means nothing and is just a pain in the systems side. Judge these next words for your self ok.
(“Indeed, Arpaio raked in $207,562 in donations of less than $25 each last year. That means something like 10,378 people bothered to send him $20 checks -- an average of 28 donations per day every day for the entire freakin' year.”)
A “freakin’ year.” If that isn’t emotion what is? If that doesn’t say the majority is just a pain in the systems side, what else would these words really mean? Nothing like putting your foot in your mouth for sure in these system controlled media words. Where do they get these people?

Continued in next comment,; February 24, 2010 at 1:58 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Here are lines from two paragraphs. What a crock of implied ideas this is.
(“Poor dear apparently sent her last pennies to "America's toughest sheriff" -- and her bank account couldn't even cover that.
Now, you might wonder why the sheriff needs the lifeblood of your grandmother.”)
Here the reporter is implying Joe is targeting old people for donations! Like many media commercials do. This women sent Joe $10 so she could feel good about contributing to a cause she felt very strongly for. Joe never asked her for penny! The reporters words, “needs the lifeblood of your grandmother” are nothing but an emotional smear by the reporter, again with no facts what so ever.

The paragraph with just these words, (“Can you say "overkill"?) Are in reference to the amount of money Joe will raise for his campaign? Talk about making it very clear to all reading, this reporter is VERY jealous of Joe. It gets even clearer, with these next lines.

(“And yet the fundraising appears to be continuing apace. Journalist Terry Greene Sterling recently reported that Sheriff Joe's peeps sent a letter to donors in Yavapai County, claiming he needed their help to combat pro-illegal immigration types. He sent a similarly whiny letter back in December.”)

This is the reporters so called proof, to Joe sending campaign propaganda to all who contributed to Joe, from all 50 states? Two letters to the same people in one county? Sorry, this doesn’t support anything the reporter has said so far. Yes the reporter stated the sources, another reporter lol. Calling people peeps and whiny, doesn’t make it fact. Remember, there is two sides to every story. The reporter doesn’t even tell one of the sides completely. So far, a lot twisted facts, better known as media spin.
Shall we dare to read more? Why not.

Here is the next line after the above paragraph. Let me warn you, it starts to get really deep now.
(“ Here are lines from two paragraphs. What a crock of implied ideas this is.
(“Poor dear apparently sent her last pennies to "America's toughest sheriff" -- and her bank account couldn't even cover that.
Now, you might wonder why the sheriff needs the lifeblood of your grandmother.”)
Here the reporter is implying Joe is targeting old people for donations! Like many media commercials do. This women sent Joe $10 so she could feel good about contributing to a cause she felt very strongly for. Joe never asked her for penny! The reporters words, “needs the lifeblood of your grandmother” are nothing but an emotional smear by the reporter, again with no facts what so ever.

The paragraph with just these words, (“Can you say "overkill"?) Are in reference to the amount of money Joe will raise for his campaign? Talk about making it very clear to all reading, this reporter is VERY jealous of Joe. It gets even clearer, with these next lines.

(“And yet the fundraising appears to be continuing apace. Journalist Terry Greene Sterling recently reported that Sheriff Joe's peeps sent a letter to donors in Yavapai County, claiming he needed their help to combat pro-illegal immigration types. He sent a similarly whiny letter back in December.”)

This is the reporters so called proof, to Joe sending campaign propaganda to all who contributed to Joe, from all 50 states! Two letters to the same people in a county unheard of by everyone here reading? Sorry, this doesn’t support anything the reporter has said so far. Remember, there is two sides to every story. This doesn’t even tell one of the sides completely, just twisted facts, better known as media spin. This is the following line to the paragraph above.

Continued in next comment,; February 24, 2010 at 3:03 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Sorry for the repeat in that last post. The next comment continues from this line, where the repeat started in the above comemnt.

Here is the next line after the above paragraph. Let me warn you, it starts to get really deep now.; February 24, 2010 at 3:14 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Here is the next line after the above paragraph. Let me warn you, it starts to get really deep now.
(“ Here are lines from two paragraphs. What a crock of implied ideas this is.
(“Poor dear apparently sent her last pennies to "America's toughest sheriff" -- and her bank account couldn't even cover that.
Now, you might wonder why the sheriff needs the lifeblood of your grandmother.”)
Here the reporter is implying Joe is targeting old people for donations! Like many media commercials do. This women sent Joe $10 so she could feel good about contributing to a cause she felt very strongly for. Joe never asked her for penny! The reporters words, “needs the lifeblood of your grandmother” are nothing but an emotional smear by the reporter, again with no facts what so ever.

The paragraph with just these words, (“Can you say "overkill"?) Are in reference to the amount of money Joe will raise for his campaign? Talk about making it very clear to all reading, this reporter is VERY jealous of Joe. It gets even clearer, with these next lines.

(“And yet the fundraising appears to be continuing apace. Journalist Terry Greene Sterling recently reported that Sheriff Joe's peeps sent a letter to donors in Yavapai County, claiming he needed their help to combat pro-illegal immigration types. He sent a similarly whiny letter back in December.”)

This is the reporters so called proof, to Joe sending campaign propaganda to all who contributed to Joe, from all 50 states! Two letters to the same people in a county unheard of by everyone here reading? Sorry, this doesn’t support anything the reporter has said so far. Remember, there is two sides to every story. This doesn’t even tell one of the sides completely, just twisted facts, better known as media spin. This is the following line to the paragraph above.

Continued in next comment,

(“ But let us say this for the record: HE DOESN'T NEED THE MONEY. “)

To much, who are they to say, and for what record? They haven’t proven where Joe spends the money, yet. This next part is their attempt to really miss lead and brain wash the readers. See if you can figure it out in this next paragraph.

continued in next post,

Continued in next post,; February 24, 2010 at 3:16 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Liz,
Sorry I didn’t get done with that first article. Sorry for the double printing too. I think you will like the end of it? Even if you don’t agree with Joe. I can finish it tonight. I will look at the other articles as well.; February 24, 2010 at 4:43 AM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; February 24, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Hi Mark,

Can you tell me where you got this: "The 1.2 million was sent by thousands, none of which said it was for his immigration stands." How did you find out what each of these "thousands" said they had contributed-for?

I do not know who posted the above insult, funny though it may be, it is out of harmony with your efforts to be civil- at least to Liz.

I hope she posts more videos for you. Joe is and has been doing this to himself. I've seen most of that stuff. It's been going on a long time. Liz seems to have a noteboook, or her memory is much better than mine!!! That's a compliment.

I have never said that Joe Arpaio never did anything good. I don't believe that to be so. I am concerned with his abuses of power and of people (for which he's paid large settlements with your tax dollars).; February 24, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Law N Order said...: The state of Arizona and in particular Maricopa county, are rapidly becoming the laughing stock of the nation, after reading most of these posts, it's not hard to see why. You people here are making jokes, fighting, and back biting with each other about the local sheriff, who by the way, is a good man doing a good job" while our other elected officials have thrown our tax dollars away to the tune of bankruptcy. When I look at the people we have elected to the state legislature, the city council, Mayor Phil Gordon, the county board of supervisors, our judicial officials whom feel they deserve a $340,000,000 court house, while I feel they deserve "maybe" a $340.00 outhouse, what is there Not! to laugh at? Trust me, with all of our elected leaches sucking the taxpayers dry, Joe Arpaio is the very least of our problems. Sad but true, we really are a joke.; February 24, 2010 at 6:54 PM
Lawn Order said...: Law N Order- If you have to pretend to be someone else- how can you expect to be taken seriously. You're full of bunk! Get your own original handle. I've suggested some that befit your character (or lack of it).

Arapio will face the system that he's abused for so long.

Authored entrirely by THE REAL Lawn Order; February 25, 2010 at 1:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Read the handle carefully: "Law N Order" is actually JW Simms. He can't post as himself. His posts are meaningless, regardless of whose handle he steals. He adds nothing to this dialog.

This post was authored entirely by THE REAL Lawn Order; February 25, 2010 at 1:17 AM
Lawn Order said...: Read the handle carefully: "Law N Order" is actually JW Simms. He can't post as himself. His posts are meaningless, regardless of whose handle he steals. He adds nothing to this dialog.

This post was authored entirely by THE REAL Lawn Order.; February 25, 2010 at 1:19 AM
Lawn Order said...: Law N Order (the fake poster JW Simms, with a fake handle) said: "Sad but true, we really are a joke." Well Simms, speak for yourself. You can't even come up with your own handle. You will attempt to mislead in any way you think possible.

This post was authored entirely by THE REAL Lawn Order.; February 25, 2010 at 1:32 AM
Lawn Order said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 25, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: Well, Simms- you stepped over the line by using my actual handle, instead of just trying to mislead people by adding a space. You are a liar, and an Arpaio supporter. I am neither.

This post was authored entirely by THE REAL Lawn Order.; February 25, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Lawn Order said...: And I suspect that you are a very little man with a Napoleon complex, and likely a host of other mental problems.

There is no chance I would ever be the least bit concerned about you harming me physically. Your violent ideations are going to get you in trouble. And if you think there's a chance that I would have that concern, or that you could do me any damage- you really are delusional.

As far as being a prince (and yes, I finally condescended to read your post after posting that you are a liar)- if you are a chihuahua named "Prince" that might be so. Otherwise- it's just part of your Napoleon complex. However, I wouldn't be surprised to know you sweep the floors in Wal-Mart's warehouse. I doubt that they would be so foolish as to allow you to have contact with their customers.

For those who care more about Arpaio, than his lame supporters, I would suggest the following:

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/justice/thomas-disqualified-2-24-2010

and

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/151092

This post was authored entirely by THE REAL Lawn Order.; February 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
J.W. Simms said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 25, 2010 at 6:39 PM
J.W. Simms said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; February 25, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: You anti people have no honor in Joe, the law, & the men & women who give you your freedom!; March 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM
Anonymous said...: THEY ARE SANCTIONING THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!!!!!; March 5, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Anonymous said...: GUESS WHAT? YOU GO JOE, AZ.CITIZENS STANDS BEHIND YOUR CRIME SWEEPS,WE DO RESPECT WHAT YOU DO, AS YOU RESPECT AZ. LAWS & HONOR YOU! COMMON SENSE HAS TO START SOMEWHERE & YOUR IT!!!!!!; March 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Why do people who break the laws think they are victims?; March 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"I don't believe that for one second. I am a law abiding citizen. I pay my taxes on time. I am a registered republican. I am not buying your bullshit sir. Take your lies and your pro Arpaio agenda someplace else!"

Yessss!!!

I am a 3 generation AZ native. My father was a deputy in a different county for most of my years growing up. We all agree that AT FIRST Arpaio made some postive changes in some areas of MCSO, YES.

BUT, what it boils down to is; He got too big for his britches after he was elected Sheriff. The power got to him. He is indifferent to anyone who is not one of his supremacist pals, he is an unruly child who does what ever the hell he wants to do and he does not let the laws stop him, as if he is above all that.

He has skeletons in his closet and he thinks his shit doesn't stink, while for the citizens, it is TOXIC GAS.; March 14, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Of course he destroyed evidence. He doesn't seem to think any laws apply to him or his deputies. Whatever happened to that deputy the judge found in contempt for going through an attorney's files in court? He "supposedly" went to jail but nobody ever knew where. What did Joe do? Put him up in the Biltmore till it all passed over? He certainly went after the judge right after that and charged him with corruption I think it was. Coincendence??? really? Did that deputy ever get out? has anyone heard anymore from him? Or did he just quietly go back to his job while everyone was focusing on the bogus charges against the judge?; March 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM

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