Sunday, February 14, 2010

Judge Finds Grounds To Sanction MCSO

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office is in trouble for destroying evidence. We just have to wait to find out how much.

A federal judge has found grounds for sanctions after some sheriff's officials admitted to deleting their e-mails and shredding records of traffic stops made during crime sweeps.

A lawsuit accuses deputies of racially profiling Hispanics during the crime sweeps.

"I am extremely happy in the courts finding," Arpaio said in a statement. "My office will we be cooperating fully in this matter. At the end of the day I am confident in my deputies and the service they provide to the citizens of Maricopa County."

The judge said he'll wait until related issues are sorted out before punishing MCSO.

Labels: crime-suppression sweep, melendres v. arpaio, racial profiling, traffic stops

309 Comments:

Anonymous said...: I don't have a comment, only a question. What would Arpaio and gang do if a suspect were to destroy evidence needed in an investigation?

Max in Scottsdale; February 14, 2010 at 12:47 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To Channel 5,
These are your exact words.

“Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office is in trouble for destroying evidence. We just have to wait to find out how much.”

This is a complete lie. The judge said there is enough evidence to proceed. He did not say anyone is guilty of anything. What are you trying to say here? You are God and already know someone is going to be help liable, and get Joe’s office in trouble?

NO, you are not God. Try reporting on what is really real, like the invasion of America. I know I know, the ones that control you, love the modern day slaves and Mexico, just how it is, right?; February 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Again, a false progressive spin from az. media!; February 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Just a hunch said...: I don't have a comment, only a question. What would Arpaio and gang do if a suspect were to destroy evidence needed in an investigation?

Max in Scottsdale

Max,

Knowing first hand how the sheriffs office works in Maricopa county I believe that the MCSO would attempt to fabricate evidence.; February 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Nobody's perfect, I know Joe will win, even if we have arrogant,ignorance, no sense progressive agenda comming out of Wash. Joe has won support many times. He will find a better place to do his job for Az. against illegals.; February 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Leave your speculation on the law to professionals said...: The only people who are ignorant are the Joe Apraio worshipers. Have you ever taken a class on criminal or civil rights laws? Any lawyer with experience in these fields will tell you that Arpaio is in serious trouble. This is the type of trouble that most professional law enforcement agencies avoid. Since we live in Maricopa county, and our fat sheriff is an ignorant pig headed retard, he got into the type of trouble that the MCSO should never have been in. Some really arrogant fools must work at the MCSO. Arrogant and very stupid.; February 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Anonymous said...: The people that are against the sheriff are the people who are here unlawfully,and there kind.wake up Arizona he is helping to rid our state ,and country against these criminals.They are taking jobs and health care from us legal citizes.Its time for them to get out,and those who oppose the Sheriff can go too.; February 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't believe that for one second. I am a law abiding citizen. I pay my taxes on time. I am a registered republican. I am not buying your bullshit sir. Take your lies and your pro Arpaio agenda someplace else!; February 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM
Anonymous said...: People who are against our voted in many times throughout many years for Joe, are more than likely a Napolitano supporter, oh and acorn, seiu, other progressive organizations They are bullys, corrupt & don't know what illegal means.; February 14, 2010 at 5:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe Arpaio represents a vanishing breed of dirty politicians who need to be routed and thrown from office. He only cares about getting a new press conference and appealing to the lowest common denominator, i.e. hateful un-christian bigots like you.; February 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM
Anonymous said...: I just found the new thread:

Here's the PBS link that will take you right to the video. Mark Gasser prefers PBS, so I would like to know what he thinks of this:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

I also am eager to find out what other media (by name) he thinks is unbiased. And the earlier question about why nobody complained about any of the local TV stations or newspapers when they were primarily a PR outlet for Joe Arpaio is a good one. Were they biased then, too- or have they changed for some reason? What reason?; February 14, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Can't name all of the unbiased media, there are way to many catering to the progressives, which many of the people have woke up realizing no truth.; February 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM
Lawn Order said...: WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF THIS????

"People who are against our voted in many times throughout many years for Joe, are more than likely a Napolitano supporter, oh and acorn, seiu, other progressive organizations They are bullys, corrupt & don't know what illegal means."

Ignoring that you need a decoder ring to make any sense of that post: I suppose this was determined by MCSO detectives. Putting everyone in a single category and name-calling, er-labeling is easier than doing any sort of study or analysis. Plus it only takes the time required to type your conclusions- so you don't miss "American Idol", or "Jersey Shore", or the upcoming MCSO pro bowling pre-contest training reality show.; February 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Anonymous said...: I am just a normal conservative who works in the legal profession. I believe in the rule of law and the US constitution. I don't believe that we need guys like Arpaio in office. Guys like him believe in playing loosely with the law. He and those like him are a danger to our Democratic way of life. Joe has got to go. He should serve as an example of what not to become it you run a law enforcement agency.; February 14, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Sounds like your heads still in the sand with past & current events, wisen up.; February 14, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Lawn Order said...: This question was addressed to Mark Gasser. Here's A response:
"Can't name all of the unbiased media"

Mark named PBS. Name as many more as you like.

For the third or fourth time: Why were there no complaints from these people when they were promoting Arpaio's agenda?

Thank you.; February 14, 2010 at 6:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Based solely on the misspellings, I would assume that this is from an Arpaio supporter:
"Sounds like your heads still in the sand with past & current events, wisen up."

Name a reliable source upon which you base your opinion. It's very simple. We don't make up facts then claim to have an informed opinion. These facts have to come from somewhere. Fortunately, career reporters have taken time to dig through and compile the data that are publicly available so we don't have to take a politician's word for anything. If you choose not to avail yourself of that data- on what basis do you accuse anyone else of having their head in the sand?

Where are you getting your information? The answer must be nowhere- it's been asked a dozen times at least, and never actually answered.

To make it even more clear: Based on the posts so far, Arpaio's supporters (or "believers") have not established a shred of objective credibility. They have, however thoroughly established that they don't understand the meaning of the preceding sentence.; February 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...: "wisen up"

Yes, that sounds like the type of thing a retard would write. Thank god that most bigots are idiots.; February 14, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Anonymous said...: The worrisome thing is that they are foolish enough to follow evil people who are not idiots. They then use these people to do their "dirty work", and take the fall when it goes bad.; February 14, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Who's they? the evil progressives? the peop-le who are running our country right now?; February 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Vote Independent said...: He may be talking about the Republicans who had there chance. They had 25 years and the ran this country into the ground and blamed others for their failures.; February 14, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Who's they? They are bigots: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

Does that describe you who calls others evil?

Politicians of all stripes have demonstrated that they care more for themselves than voters. They will make up facts, and when they are proven to contradict the evidence, they will keep repeating their lies until some of the people are convinced. And who pays for those lies? Everyone else. Joe Arpaio is a politician.

We're still waiting for answers to these questions:

Mark named PBS as one unbiased media source. Please name as many more as you like. This was after having been asked this very question three or four times, but the last time was days ago. He was responding to something else.

For the third or fourth time: Why were there no complaints from these people when they were promoting Arpaio's agenda?; February 14, 2010 at 7:55 PM
Going down in flames said...: it is refreshing to see that the Apraio clan and followers still believe that the year we are in is 1993 and Joe has an approval rating of 70%. Well guess what! The year is 2010 and his approval rating is 36%, and the feds are coming for Joe!Mahahaahahaha!; February 14, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Anonymous said...: THE CORRUPT FEDS!!!!!!!; February 14, 2010 at 8:21 PM
Anonymous said...: AND THEY ARE GOING DOWN AS OF 2010 VOTE!!!!!!; February 14, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Going down in flames: Thanks for posting an actual fact. The people who name-call on Arpaio's behalf have yet to do that.

The figures are available, but they just keep posting made-up junk. They must think everyone else has an IQ comparable to their own and will buy it. Or maybe they just don't understand how to do research and report fact.

In the PBS link, Joe says he doesn't use or believe statistics, then a couple minutes later he claims that he has statistical evidence in support of his belief that illegal immigrants from Mexico commit crimes at a rate much higher than the rest of the populace. The US Dept. of Justice and the FBI data show that illegals are less likely than others to commit crimes.

Either way- Arpaio has contradicted himself again. It's convenient fact-making. Hmmm...seems familiar to those who read his supporters' posts.

I can anticipate those who refuse to stay on the subject because the Sheriff is indefensible: I am against law breaking whether it be immigration or theft or anything else.; February 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM
Anonymous said...: "AND THEY ARE GOING DOWN AS OF 2010 VOTE" - meaning what, exactly? Is the Federal Government going to be done away with? You realize that not everyone is up for re-election in 2010, don't you?

No, that's right- you don't. Sorry.

And who do you think will be voted in? Politicians. So what do you think will change? The signs and plaques.; February 14, 2010 at 8:30 PM
Anonymous said...: JOE'S ONLY QUILTY OF DOING HIS JOB...BY THE WAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING!; February 14, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Anonymous said...: QUILTY

Does he(Joe) make QUILTS now?; February 14, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Alot of common sense americans will make the change that's for sure.; February 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Subject for a Different Blog said...: I am skeptical of global warming as well. I am also skeptical of Sheriffs who are repeatedly shown to be abusing their power and wasting my tax dollars.; February 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Anonymous said...: GLOBAL WARMING is now called "climate change". Yeah those stupid PhDs- why don't they call some of you for opinions? Everyone knows that people in Arpaio forums don't need no stinking education, or measuring apparatus, or experience. They "just know".

Anyone can collaborate with his peers, and write carefully researched articles in scientific journals, and present papers at global seminars. Anyone can collect and analyze data, including reams of historical data, and satellite imagery and other data from space.

It's the opinions of self-important ignoramuses that are of greatest value in deciding what course mankind should take in any given matter. That's just common sense.; February 14, 2010 at 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...: I am also skeptical about, Joe's been doing a good job for many years, now the feds want to cater more to the illegals. Napolitano & other progressives in Az. have been putting their nose where it does'nt belong. Now Napolitano in with the big corrupt machine, sharpton makes a visit to our sheriff. Gordon went to Washington twice. So another, B.S.SESSION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.; February 14, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Anonymous said...: "another, B.S.SESSION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS" - next time they should invite you. You're obviously gifted at that.; February 14, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Anonymous said...: No, the feds just don't want abuse of power at the local level. The charges in the grand jury have nothing to do with illegals. As fas as Napolitano is concerned, she was not the person who first alerted the Feds to Arpiao's questionable tactics. The other investigations began during the Bush administration.; February 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Funniest Posting yet said...: ROFL

Man my side hurts now. Thanks for the good laugh!

GLOBAL WARMING is now called "climate change". Yeah those stupid PhDs- why don't they call some of you for opinions? Everyone knows that people in Arpaio forums don't need no stinking education, or measuring apparatus, or experience. They "just know".

Anyone can collaborate with his peers, and write carefully researched articles in scientific journals, and present papers at global seminars. Anyone can collect and analyze data, including reams of historical data, and satellite imagery and other data from space.

It's the opinions of self-important ignoramuses that are of greatest value in deciding what course mankind should take in any given matter. That's just common sense.; February 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Anonymous said...: "Now Napolitano in with the big corrupt machine"

Explaining the politics of the whole Arpaio debacle to you reminds me of the difficulty I have explaining complex issues to my grandson. He is 4 years old.; February 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Anonymous said...: He is 4 years old. - Yes, but he's eager to learn! So it's easier, no?; February 14, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Yes that is true. My grandson is 4 and eager to learn. This reminds me of the whole reason why I became discouraged with most of the Republican establishment in the first place. Their unwillingness to learn from their mistakes or improve the party was the main reason. Now the only people left in the party, besides a few exceptions like John Mccain, are these ignoramuses. Sad.; February 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...: To the Anonymous gentleman who wrote of the Republicans: This seems to be a systemic problem. I am merely an observer. Neither my wife nor I have any involvement in politics. But we study what is going on. People have lost faith in their government.

It seems to me that people are losing hope for the government ever doing what JD Hayworth referred to as "the people's business". That always made us chuckle.

The populace seems to be seeking anyone who says what they want to hear, even if there are no specific proposals. If he were statutorily able to run, people might elect your very young grandson in 2010, it seems to me. Sometimes it seems that the 1980 movie "Being There" provided the archetype for the modern national leaders. I am not speaking of anyone in particular.

This sickness seems to be what has kept Arpaio in office. He is a prime example, but by no means the only one.

And a discussion of the facts and issues is too boring. It's a matter of marketing, specifically packaging- and little else, it seems to me. People never seem to catch on that the box is nearly empty. I find that fascinating.; February 14, 2010 at 10:26 PM
Arizona's moment of shame. said...: I love the part where he says, "I don't like statistics."

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

Oh the irony. Oh the stupidity!; February 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who posted this. About PBS and Joe with the link.
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html

It did prove one thing to me again. No, not even PBS is completely un bought by the system. I always knew this, and I never said the system didn’t own PBS. I said PBS is the most un bios report were going to see in our TV Media.

As far as for any ground breaking proof against Joe in this report, they didn’t have any. They talked about response times, saying Joe’s deputies response time is slower since he started his illegal searches. Well, that is not proof, it is speculating that his response time has changed because of man power being used on these illegal sweeps. The fact is, crime is growing big time right now in our valley, thanks to Mexico. If there is more crime, it’s going to take longer to get to the next one. Nothing in that report proves that the sweeps are causing this problem. The reporter in the end, talks about how murder has climbed here, as if once again that was Joe’s fault? Joe’s job is to bust the murders, not prevent them, not with the flood of crime we are having here he can’t. Again, the time spent on sweeps is blamed for the rise of murder here? When in reality, these sweeps are preventing future murders?

Then they also talked about crimes of rape going unsolved? Not sure what they were all trying to imply with this? That Joe has no problem with rape? That the sweeps were taking the time of detectives? Sorry, Joe doesn’t use rape detectives on sweeps, yet if you watched this report and take their implied words as the real truth, you would of thought just that. Joe said, it was the city police departments job to investigate these rapes. The reporter never gave Joe’s side of the story, she implied there was no city police department. The Reporter only said the twist the media picked.

I’m not a blind sheep, I can see what is true in their words and what is twisted facts. Just like Joe said, he doesn’t like statistics because they can be twisted. The Goldwater Report is a great example of that. Which I proved in an earlier post.

Yes the modern day slave loving system, even controls PBS, when it comes to the slaves. Not to mention plenty of other systems that run PBS. Oil is one, we see these Exxon commercials on PBS all the time.

This report has proven one thing to me. The system is desperate and trying any and all techniques they can use to get rid of Joe. Hitler used the media, the system is too. I find it so ironic when people call Joe Hitler. The real modern day Hitler, loves the modern day slaves and owns your American media.; February 15, 2010 at 2:28 AM
Mark Gasser said...: We need Joe for sure

Yes we need the toughest Sheriff in the country right here. At least un till us tax payers are willing to triple the amount of tax dollars we spend on law enforcement. Yes we need something to help curve crime here. Police that enforce all the laws and police that are doing something about the flood of crime from Mexico.

The Feds call Mexico our countries best ally. I don't want drug dealers and killers for my best friend, but the system here has no problem with it. The system makes billions from the modern day slaves, here and in Mexico. At the expense of both Mexico’s and America’s majorities. Yes the system that loves the slaves and controls our media hates Joe. If you are not a criminal or a blind sheep, you should support Joe.; February 15, 2010 at 2:31 AM
Anonymous said...: The BEST law enforcement office in the US. We need more like him. The media appears to be in favor of the criminal due to their reporting of Sherifff Joe's activities. Let him do his job his way and we will all be safer. Sheriff Joe for AZ. Governor!; February 15, 2010 at 4:04 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Joe helps his biggest basher

Joe has gotten national attention for his toughness on illegal immigrants. Supporters of illegal immigrants hate Joe, when in all actuality, they should be praising Joe. Why? Because of the fact Joe is bringing national attention to the subject. More Americans are starting to question the system that regulates illegal immigration.

Many that hate Joe want to make illegals legal here. The last thing the system wants to do is make all illegals legal. Why? The system will lose their modern day slave. If all illegals became legal, they would expect and disserve an equal wage. Mexico would become more wealthy too. The Mexican majority would demand high wages. Again, the last thing the system want to let happen.

Both Mexico’s and American’s majority will benefit once the system in control is changed. Joe is the only politician trying to change the system, he is at least bucking their demands to leave the illegal immigrant system alone. Yes Joe opened some blind sheep eyes, for all of the majorities benefits, both Mexico’s and American’s.; February 15, 2010 at 4:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Wake up Arizona! Enough of that Politically correct BS. The Sheriff is doing an awesome job, for those people who are against his policy. It's either you are here undocumented yourself or is related to one. Go through the process like everybody else.; February 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM
Anonymous said...: It is not about political correctness. It is about abuse of power. That is the central issue which dragged Arpaio's approval ratings down. It is the most revealing issue. It shows you the real Arpaio. The mean spirited evil person.; February 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM
Anonymous said...: "I said PBS is the most un bios report were going to see in our TV Media."

Mark,

Are you trying to say UNBIASED? I guess I should take you and your 5th grade education seriously now right?; February 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: KPHO did not twist the topic here, as someone early on in this blog suggested.

The judge WILL be sanctioning the MCSO for illegally destroying evidence and records. The bit about "we'll have to wait to see how much" means that the judge is not going to impose the sanctions until he sees how many of the deleted emails can be recovered. There WILL be sanctions.

Joe is finally being held accountable for his actions and the actions of those he supposedly leads. It's about time Joe learned that he is not free to do as he pleases without regard to the law and face no consequences. In addition to having lost the favor of a large percentage of the voting citizens here in Maricopa County, he is now facing potential criminal charges as well.

THAT is why we want Joe out of office. It has nothing to do with illegals. It's because Joe himself is committing crimes against citizens.; February 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Lawn Order said...: Hi Mark,

Where's that list of media that you think is un-biased?

So you are uninformed: You make up your own facts by drawing conclusions when there is NO evidence. You take that as evidence of a conspiracy. Then you present those as fact.

You only believe the media when they happen to report what accords with your pre-conceptions. Mark, that is a form of bigotry (even though it doesn't fall into one of the usual humanist or religious categories).; February 15, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Lawn Order said...: "The BEST law enforcement office in the US. We need more like him. The media appears to be in favor of the criminal..." Seriously- do you expect to be taken seriously? You have said, Mark, that you don't watch Channel 5. So you don't know how they cover criminal cases- they do. Other stations do too, and it's not out of any altruistic, or public-service mindset. It's sensational and will keep the viewers tuned in. So is Arpaio, so they cover him- HIS press conferences and his indictment.

Now, kindly show me some of those statistics that the Sheriff hates to prove the first opinion you assert in your post. That's right- it's just gas.; February 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Anonymous said...: Nothing surprises me anymore.

I used to think that, if people were paying attention, they would recognize tampering with evidence when they see it - especially when the culprit admits it. I guess I can't depend upon people being intellecually honest anymore.

It is a fact that the MCSO did tamper with evidence by destroying messages of interest to the court. That fact is backed up by the admission of Arpaio that, yes, they erased these files.

Do people really believe that he and his people should get away with illegal activity just because of some gutteral feeling of pride in his base method of so-called law enforcement? Evidently some do. They are, indeed, limited by their sense of right and wrong.

Arpaio is wrong and proud of it.

Max in Scottsdale; February 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Furthermore, Max, Arapio's own attorney admitted to the judge, during the hearing, that the deleted and shredded documents would have had a negative impact on Joe's defense. So, essentially, unless there's something I'm missing here, Joe told his attorney that yes, they did shred and delete documents, the documents said things of "this nature" and the attorney said that things of "this nature" would have been damaging.

Yes, I also find it hard to believe that there are still people so far gone in denial that they think this is just some fantasy that a few of us anti-Joe people dreamed up.; February 15, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Anonymous said...: That is perhaps the root of the Arpaio problem. He is the cult of personality at the MCSO. The MCSO functions as a cult and his followers support him without question.

Add a compound living community and you would have David Koresh.; February 15, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Anonymous said...: "Add a compound living community and you would have David Koresh." Your point is taken, with a couple of differences, or clarifications- if you will. This is for the sake of maintaining the intellectual honesty that Max pointed out is missing:

1) Arpaio has never claimed to be a prophet
2) Koresh didn't have communities who entrusted him with legal authority depending upon him, and didn't get government monies to perform his "job"

There are many other cult similarities among his adherents so your point is well made.; February 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Anonymous said...: I agree that Arpaio has a cult following in our county. Those who are a part of the Joe cult should be aware of history. They ahould look with open eyes and minds at what happened the blind followers in Jones Town, the Davidians and many others.

Cults are never for the benefit of those who join them as followers, they are always for the benefit of the cult leader. Disaster always awaits.

Max in Scottsdale; February 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...: For those who might not see the similarities of Arpaio's following to a "Cult of Personality"- here is some information from Wikipedia. This sort of cult has its main expression in politics and government, as compared to a religious cult.

To forestall accusations of bias- Wikipedia is edited by the public. Virtually anyone can amend or edit or append its contents. Here are a few excerpts from the article there:

A cult of personality arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships and Stalinist governments.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

Purpose

Generally, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government, that seek to radically alter or transform society according to (supposedly) revolutionary new ideas. Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and comes to be treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur. This has been generally the justification for personality cults that arose in totalitarian societies of the 20th century, such as those of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

Background

Throughout history, monarchs were almost always held in enormous reverence. Through the principle of the divine right of kings, rulers were said to hold office by the will of God. Imperial China (see Mandate of Heaven), ancient Egypt, Japan, the Inca, the Aztecs, Tibet, Thailand, and the Roman Empire (see imperial cult) are especially noted for redefining monarchs as god-kings.

The spread of democratic ideas in Europe and North America in the 18th and 19th centuries made it increasingly difficult for monarchs to preserve this aura. However, the subsequent development of photography, sound recording, film and mass production, as well as public education and techniques used in commercial advertising, enabled political leaders to project a positive image like never before. It was from these circumstances in the 20th century that the best-known personality cults arose.

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To those who are suffering the consequences of very long response times, and utter failure of MCSO to investigate crimes (many of those violent or sexual)- this information is purely academic.

It seems that the best way to prevent or deal with an existing cult of personality is to inform the populace. There are always some who refuse to give up their beliefs- regardless of what information is presented to them. For them, it takes victimization, or regime change before they can let go.; February 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: The sad thing is I could support him on his stance on illegal immigration if he would just pay attention to the issue of not violating the civil rights of our hispanic CITIZENS.

The main problem with that debacle probably started because he and his deputies did not understand the laws governing civil rights. Imagine, a leader of a major law enforcement agency not understanding the laws. It makes your head want to spin backwards counter clock-wise until it snaps off! I mean WTF?; February 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: And I think most of us generally are in agreement on the illegal immigration issue.

It's all of the other BS that comes out of MCSO that really gets me riled up.

Interesting read on the personality cult. It sure have a familiar ring to it!; February 15, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Yep, I posted the original comment about the cult of personality, and then someone else backed me up with the Wikipedia quotes. Thanks to that person and to you for your kind comment Liz.; February 15, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Anonymous said...: "I posted the original comment about the cult of personality" - correction, "about the cult.." (no mention of personality) in this thread. "Cult of personality" was mentioned a couple of weeks ago by someone else, and discussed in that thread. I thought you might want to know- though it is a petty distinction.

Many have referred to him and his operations in that way though for a long time- but his fanatical devotees just shout others down and refuse to reason.; February 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I get a vision of Arpaio mugging for the cameras ... "I'm Shurf Joe and I am TUFF on illegals and I am the ONLY one doing anything about them!!" And the cult members wet themselves with adoration, while the rest of of wish were were in the live audience so we could throw shoes at him.

Yup, Cult of Personality does pretty much sum it up.; February 15, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Anonymous said...: In my fantasy I wear the smelly shoes I threw away last week, and both shoes hit their target!; February 15, 2010 at 1:48 PM
Lawn Order said...: JW Simms: Told ya'. Enjoy reading these blogs. No private entity has a legal obligation to provide a venue for anyone to say anything on their blogs.

Hate speech and threats are not to be tolerated.

Even though there's a difference between educated and ignorant commentary, those who choose to ignore the issues and use somebody's blog as an avenue for racial rants and threats are not welcome.

Bye; February 15, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Something I don't understand is how, after Arpaio's attorney acknowledges to the judge that there were documents shredded and emails deleted, and that the content of those documents would have been damaging to Arpaio, people can still go on and on about what a good guy Joe is and how we need more people like him in power. Clearly, Joe, either by his own actions or by ordering the actions of his employees, attempted to cover up ILLEGAL and unethical behavior on the part of the MCSO.

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?; February 15, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order -

You kind of lost me on that last post to Simms. Is he back? I haven't seen him since Saturday.; February 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Lawn Order said...: I can't say other than he hasn't posted under his name.; February 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order -

Oh, I think I figured it out.

Thanks for having my back though!; February 15, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Lawn Order said...: Hi Liz. Respectfully- you can take care of yourself. But there are larger issues- like who might be looking at this blog.; February 15, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I understand your thoughts there.

To tell you the truth, one day a few months back, after some rather hot debate on another board, I came home from work to find a black SUV parked in front of my house. My heart skipped a beat or two. Last I heard, though, it's not against the law to dislike Sheriff Joe and say so. If it was, at least 45% of Maricopa County would be in jail. But it's a good reminder to me to put the New Times on my cell phone speed dial. If that should ever happen, they're the first people I'm calling. LOL!; February 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Let's face it, it's a control game, gov. been playing it for a long time.; February 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Lawn Order said...: Excellent post, Liz - especially: "But it's a good reminder to me to put the New Times on my cell phone speed dial. If that should ever happen, they're the first people I'm calling."

I think that might be a good idea for us all!!!
I just hope they can afford to ramp up their staffing.; February 15, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Anonymous said...: I wish they would put a black van in front of my house. I would sue, sue sue, after I bored them to death. If I knew I was being watched I would make it extra annoying and boring!; February 15, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: LOL - well, what can I say... Larkin and Lacey took one for the team. If they'll do that, they'll cover any Arpaio blunders in a heart beat.

I have, on occassion, been concerned that being a vocal advocate of Joe's retirement or incarceration could put me in jeopardy of being "investigated" but any investigation would turn up nothing other than the fact that I don't like Joe. I am a middle aged woman, full time employed in the same business since 1977, home owner, pay my bills, and basically live a pretty boring life (right now I'm reading Dianna Gabaldon's "Outlander" series and it takes up more of my time than it should...) I like the decorating and real estate shows on HGTV. I have a few drinks now and then, but I don't drink and drive. I bus to and from work, so if happy hour with co-workers ever comes up, I'm not stuck with trying to decide whether I'm sober enough to drive. I don't even take asprin so drugs are not a part of my life. If he wants to investigate me, I guess that's fine. He won't find anything - not even an unpaid parking ticket.

Also, I have the added benefit that my HOA does NOT allow TANKS in our neighborhood, and I have cats, not a puppy, AND good insurance, so should they decide to blow my house up out of utter frustration of not being able to pin anything on me, well... we're again back to having the New Times on speed dial.; February 15, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Anonymous said...: The only thing Joe's quilty of, is doing his job on illegal immigration many years for us tax payers. I would imagine he knows how to cover his azz over many years of polititions that have fought him every step of the way. So now, we've got the no-good doers taking charge, they want amnesty, control what who does, how, what & when. I still like my freedom, & want it restored.; February 15, 2010 at 4:34 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Some idiot (anonymous above) said:

"The only thing Joe's quilty of, is doing his job on illegal immigration"

Ummmm ... first of all, he's not "QUILTY" of anything. He is GUILTY of attempting to hide the evidence that he is GUILTY of violating the civil rights of Maricopa County Citizens.

Yes, I want my freedom restored too. I want Joe to either retire out in Sun City or be incarcerated for his crimes and be free of his madness and mahem. He's long past his prime. He promised Maricopa County ONE TERM and that was a lie from the begining. He has continued to lie ever since.

Good riddance Joe. I hope the judge sanctions you up the yazoo! And that is only the beginning. Wait until the Feds are done with their Grand Jury.; February 15, 2010 at 4:58 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: And since when is it that "doing is job on illegal immigration" means that Joe is doing HIS JOB?

His job is to run the jails, transport inmates, patrol unicorporated areas of Maricopa County (which statistics show he is doing a poor job at) and to get his deputies out on the street fighting crime, a detail that seems to have been forgotten, based on the 40,000 something unserved warrants.

So how is Joe really doing? Not very well!

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/513/index.html; February 15, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Anonymous said...: its not about republicans or democrats..its about a shady sheriff..; February 15, 2010 at 5:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Still waiting for that list of "acceptable/reliable" media from the Arpaio supporters. What's the holdup?

You DO have sources of information, don't you? It's not evident by your posts- but you don't think anyone should just take your word for the facts, do you?

Imagine if the "system ran (sic) media" ran that way. They could fire most of their staff, never verify anything they report. Nobody would ever find out, since they would never check. It doesn't work that way.

So- what are your reliable sources?; February 15, 2010 at 6:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Number one, how's it a lie when the people voted him in? Name calling brings out the best of how you think, get some common sense, if you have any. are you sure your not illegal?; February 15, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Lawn Order said...: "Number one, how's it a lie when the people voted him in? Name calling brings out the best of how you think, get some common sense, if you have any. are you sure your not illegal?"

That's a bunch of number two, for one thing. But nobody lied about him being voted in. Arpaio is going to be "tried" out. You'll like the next Sheriff much better. He'll (or she'll) do the whole job.

Can you try asking something that makes sense, and it related to the conversation? A commentator on CNN (wish I could remember who) said that Nazi extermination of those they didn't like was preceded by labeling them "illegal".

Since I don't know who you addressed this to, I will just say that I was born in the US as a white citizen. I had no choice in the matter. Neither did you- so go accomplish something (starting with education) and come back (or don't if you are Simms as I suspect) later.

They haven't blocked Simms IP address yet.; February 15, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Lawn Order said...: "get some common sense, if you have any" - that's brilliant. And this is sarcasm lest you take the preceding as a compliment.; February 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Anonymous said...: "get some common sense, if you have any"

If you have no common sense then you need to get some, since you had none in the first place, which means you can't ask, "if you have any.", because he had none....

Anyways......brilliant; February 15, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Lawn Order said...: At the risk of wearing this out, let's examine it one more time:

"Number one, how's it a lie when the people voted him in? Name calling brings out the best of how you think, get some common sense, if you have any. are you sure your not illegal?"

Now, do you really think with your difficulty expressing what I will charitably refer-to as a thought, in the English language, you should be questioning anyone else's immigration status?

I noted what I presume is your attempt at explaining the point about common sense above. It makes less sense than what you originally posted.

Folks, what we have here is symptomatic of the "thinking" of those who support Joe, but don't know anything about what he's doing. They only have confidence in what confirms their prejudice.; February 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM
Mark Gassser said...: To Lawn boy, who posted this,

(Where's that list of media that you think is un-biased?)

When it comes to the lobbyist that bought our politicians and owns our media, there is no such thing.

No its not a conspiracy, it is a FACT. The lobbyist own our politicians. The same system that owns our media.

No matter what news you are watching, you will always get the systems twist on things. Especially when it comes to the modern day slaves.; February 16, 2010 at 3:59 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To anonymous who thinks he is a rocket scientist, and wants to know my sources of facts.

I watch the same media on TV everyone else does. But I don't take their twist as the truth. I can see through the twist and see the real facts. You can too, just open your eyes.

Not sure what facts you need further proof to, but just feel free to ask, I'll be happy to spoon feed you the information. It don't take a rocket scientist to see the truth, just someone other than a blind sheep.; February 16, 2010 at 4:07 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Source of Facts,

No, the system ran media never used the words, modern day slave, meth backs and system. These are my own words for the facts the media does report. Just because you don't see these words in the media, does not make them a REAL fact. Some people believed the world was flat at one time too. I would of been one calling it round.

The report on PBS also told about how Joe uses women in chain gangs. In an attempt to prove Joe is a tyrant. The fact of the matter is, these girls on the chain gang are all volunteers, none are forced to work in a chain gang, like the media wanted you to believe. Joe is doing these girls a favor by having a chain gang, the only one in the world by the way, that uses women. He gives the ones who volunteer, a chance to get out of a cement cell. Yes these inmates would rather pick up garbage in a chain gang, than being stuck in a cement cell doing nothing. Yes the media reported the facts in this case, but twisted the facts to make Joe a tyrant.

No the media does not tell all, only what they want to brain wash the majority into believing. The same thing Hitler did with the media. The media isn’t on Joe’s side, so that would make the system running the media Hitler now wouldn’t it?

The real truth is there for all to see. Sadly, many don't want to believe the truth and chose to believe what they are told by our politicians and media instead. I don't need candy coated truth to get through this world. I know, not knowing the truth, hurts us all far more than believing media twist and out right lies. It is easy being a blind sheep, until slaughter day.; February 16, 2010 at 4:42 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who wrote this,

Folks, what we have here is symptomatic of the "thinking" of those who support Joe, but don't know anything about what he's doing. They only have confidence in what confirms their prejudice.

You do know what Joe‘s motives are and why he arrests the modern day slave? How? Oh, the media told you. I bet the media never used the word modern day slave? Or talked about the lobbyist system that runs the Feds, wanting the slaves here? Let me guess, you think I am talking conspiracy right lol? It is not a conspiracy I am talking, it is FACT. If you don’t think it is true, just open your eyes. What do you see in all 50 states? We see millions of illegals here working for peanuts. Why? Because the system loves and depends on the modern day slave. Yes it is fact, the Feds tell all our county sheriffs to leave the illegals alone. Ask one your self if you don’t believe me. Joe is the only one bucking that system.

Open your eyes and wake up. The system isn’t going to give all the modern day slaves a green card like you believe will happen. The system would lose their modern day slave if they did. If the system is going to pay full wage, they will pay for a legal American. The system doesn’t like Mexicans better than Americans, they just like the slaves they get from Mexico. Yes illegal immigration is a real problem here. For the immigrants too. But don’t expect the current system ran government to do much about it. They could of made all the slaves legal along time ago if they wanted to. They DON”T want to.; February 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM
Lawn Order said...: Again with the name calling. People with Gasser as their name might want to be more introspective about that tactic.

So the local TV and print media are fine when they their report doesn't don't contradict your prejudices? Where do you get the info that contradicts them?

I can give examples of Joe's malfeasance, if you want. Then you show me what report contradicts it. How's that?; February 16, 2010 at 5:43 AM
Lawn Order said...: Mark, you wrote: "You do know what Joe‘s motives are and why he arrests the modern day slave? How? Oh, the media told you." Many people claim to know his real motives, and their opinions are widely divergent. Let's talk about things that we can prove with evidence, not things that can't be decided one way or the other except by emotion.

All you know is what he tells you about his motives, is that so? Do you have another way? Remember, he's accused with enough evidence to convene a grand jury. Juries of your peers have found negligence too many times, and paid out record numbers our your tax dollars to plaintiffs charging abuse, then that abuse being proven in court to your peers.

Claim: Arapio saves the taxpayers millions (some say billions) of dollars.

First evidence: From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts, with more than $50 million in claims being filed,[35] 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.[36] Allegations of cruel treatment of inmates as well as living conditions have been cited by Amnesty International in a report issued on the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities.[37]

This indicates that the legal costs of his operation are much higher than those of any comparable jurisdiction. There are other areas such as the "Crime Supression Sweeps" that hare expensive and highly publicized- but from the inadequate records that Joe provides and from INS documents regarding the processing of those Joe rounded up- they don't bear much fruit.

Kindly provide some documentation showing these savings and how he tracks them. If Arpaio makes such claims (and he has) they have to be based on more than political posturing, right? There should be accountants who can provide reports showing the costs and revenues involved. So please show me where I can find that documentation, or summary reports that are based upon it. If that documentation doesn't exist- where are you getting your documentation about taxpayer savings? Please share it with us.

Claim: Joe's policies have reduced recidivism in the County Jail system. This statistic affects the use of taxpayer funds. Lower rates would also imply that there are fewer repeat offenders and a corresponding increase in public safety.

First evidence: In her book on prison policy The Use of Force by Detention Officers, Arizona State University criminal justice professor Marie L. Griffin reported on a 1998 study commissioned by Arpaio to examine recidivism rates based on conditions of confinement. Comparing recidivism rates under Arpaio to those under his predecessor, the study found "there was no significant difference in recidivism observed between those offenders released in 1989-1990 and those released in 1994-1995."[38] (from Wikipedia)

Again- kindly CITE some evidence that refutes those findings.

Nobody is fooled by changing the subject or making grandiose claims about Arpaio's work. Evidence is called-for. If somebody does a good job, you'd expect them to be able to prove that, and want to do so- right?

Fair enough?; February 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM
Anonymous said...: It is evident that single issue bloggers have nothing of substance to contribute to this discussion.

I agree with Lawn Order if one is to state so-called facts regarding Arpaio or any other subject, that person needs to back up the clams with real evidence, not unfounded claims that cannot be substantiated.

However, I do agree with those who say that, notionaly, nothing is really being done to eliminate illegal immigration from Mexico or any other country. The reason? Business loves to have a pool of low paid people to work and increase profits. That I believe is the reason that the US is not now nor will it ever be really serious about solving the problem of illegals.

That being said, this one issue is not worth our sacrificing our freedoms to a plitical tyrant such as Joe Arpaio. If you look at what is really important, on ballance, our freedom is highest on my priority list. Therefore, Joe must go. I know he cannot change his way of doing business, so he must go for the sake of our society.

Max in Scottsdale; February 16, 2010 at 9:04 AM
Anonymous said...: WAKE-UP Maricopa county,
Arpaio's work is sub-standard and in NO case is it "OK" to break the constitution of the United States. This jerk has done that and more, costing the county over 43 Million dollars in law suites and growing. Arpaio represents the worst in law enforcement, period. Check the facts, check his conviction rates, check the costs to everyone involved.; February 16, 2010 at 9:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Sorry about the typos, I wrote the above in a hurry.

Max in Scottssdale; February 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM
Lawn Order said...: No problem, Max- normally you type reel good ;-) Seriously- you've made many cogent points and observations. I wish I could type as well as I talk (on a good day).

The Feds are throwing lots of money at the problem of illegal immigration (but just from the South). The purchase of arial drones, cameras, fencing (including electronic fencing), and it goes on. These systems are not well integrated, and are unreliable- but the biggest weakness is that they require more manpower to run and maintain them. Reasonable arguments can be proffered for all sides of these issues- but a more cogent approach for this discussion might be to see the relative arrest rates for those who come illegally for MCSO and other agencies that enforce these laws (that is number of annual arrests per 100 officers), for example. Another useful metric might be the cost of each arrest.

I haven't seen this data. There was a discussion of personality cults yesterday. Joe's cheerleaders say all sorts of stuff that is unsubstantiated by the evidence. I would just love it if they could present some data that supports their position.

There are a couple of easy ones posted above- that is easy to find data.

I don't think it's going to happen. There have been many objective challenges thrown at them, but they just keep posting propaganda- not substantiated proof of their beliefs.; February 16, 2010 at 9:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Our media sure does'nt report on wrong doing by the progressives when they're going to court. There are many long time organizations that have truthful/facts people can rely on.; February 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Lawn Order said...: Again- NO EXAMPLE to PROVE YOUR POINT: (It's patently false, made up garbage.)

The "our media" to which you refer- is that the same media you claim not to watch or read. Then how would you know what they do or don't report? Let's see an example to prove you know what you're talking about!

Do you change your definition of progressives to include only those who avoid media scrutiny? Who, particular are they- and more broadly, how do you define "the progressives"?

Joe Arpaio is not progressive, he's regressive, and supressive, some think repulsive. There's ample evidence of that- but do you need me to post it.

Again- and I think I've beaten this into the ground: Name some media sources that you feel are trustworthy. Name some of the "many long time organizations that have truthful/facts people can rely on", and name a story or two they have published supporting your view that Arpaio is fully serving the people of Maricopa County, and not guilty of the many things of which he is accused.

Where do you get information that supposedly forms the basis of your opinion? Vague generalities (e.g. "many long time organizations....") won't cut it with those who have critical thinking abilities. Name them, cite their reports. Copy their spelling and grammar (please tell us you're not now).; February 16, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Anonymous said...: No matter if we list reputable sources, you'll pick them apart being on the other side of the spectrum. I know what I believe, and many others hear & see what is going on by people we cannot trust. When you have people who are ignorant, rude, don't listen, don't agree there's no honest debate.; February 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Lawn Order said...: Enough accusations: "No matter if we list reputable sources, you'll pick them apart being on the other side of the spectrum. I know what I believe, and many others hear & see what is going on by people we cannot trust. When you have people who are ignorant, rude, don't listen, don't agree there's no honest debate."

Who's ignorant, rude and refuses to listen or be honest about their sources? Not me. (Point out one post where I have refused to disclose the source of my information.)

Why don't you list your sources? Others, me included- do. And the pro-Arpaio crowd has faulted them. You (they) post lots of opinions, call names, say that this and that is the case, and the are reasons for their support- but have given only PBS as a source. Yes- honest people will pick the facts apart, if you make them up. The truth can stand up to scrutiny. That's why it's so great.

When PBS was finally given as a reliable source- the response was to post a report from PBS. That's pure evil, isn't it?

So your response is to make accusations and run away? You're obviously not too confident in your opinion.; February 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm very confident in what I believe in, so i choose not to be involved in argument. is'nt freedom great!; February 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: GO JOE GO .... I BROUGHT MY WIFE HERE LEGALLY....WE SPENT $$$ 1.000's AND FOLLOWED PROTOCOL TO THE LETTER.... WHY SHOULD ILLEGALS FROM ANY COUNTRY GET A FREE RIDE ?? THANK GOD FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP JOE !!!! FROM EVERYONE OF US WHO EMAIL YOU... THERE ARE 1,000 MORE WHO DONT WRITE IN ... BUT THEY ARE THERE SILENTLY SUPPORTING YOU IN THE WINGS.... ZONIES RULE !!!; February 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I am not surprised. Sheila Polk testified today that Joe told her (after he arrested Stapley when Polk had indicated to him that she did not have a case that was ready to file) "I can arrest anyone I want any time I want". She also said (of Andrew Thomas) that she was "shocked that ... anyone with the awesome power of a prosecutor would file charges (against Donahoe) without a single shred of evidence".

Really, you Joe fans! Really! Do you REALLY want this people to have that kind of power? It's like something out of an episode of the Twilight Zone. Or that really bizzare book "Joe's Law".; February 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Lawn Order said...: See- you post information. Say where it came from, and people can decide. If you post opinion, without basis, people are inclined to ignore or dismiss it. Make any excuse you want- but why post anything if you're not going to support your opinion with provable, sourced facts?; February 16, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Lawn Order -

About that blogging on and on and on without sources, and avoiding answering direct questions...

Let's face it: He either truly believes everything he says or he doesn't.

If he does believe what he says, he is delusional. Now amount of infomration will change a delusional mind.

If he doesn't believe what he says, he has other motives for posting. Maybe he just enjoys stirring the pot or maybe something more lucrative, shall we say.

Either way, he's going to continue on exactly as he has been doing. But it is certainly entertaining to watch you trying to call him out!; February 16, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Lawn Order said...: Hi Liz,

I agree with everything you said. I'm sure that it will come as no surprise if I tell you that this is calculated just as you said. Those who read these threads, maybe for the first time, will see that every effort (literally and figuratively) has been made to give Joe
supporters the opportunity to post their substantive reasons for their support (if any).

They (he) claim to have sources, it is and has been quite evident that they don't. That's why they have to speak in generalities and call people names when they disagree. They won't admit it forthrightly, but the roundness of their claims exposes them. It's like when Katie Couric had the unmitigated temerity to ask Sara Palin what she reads. This was asked quite innocently, but it's the spin that gave her away (and she's still spinning it).

So hopefully those who read these threads will quickly come to the same conclusions you delineated in your post. You're right though, we are at the point that asking for a specific, intelligent answer of Arpaio's supporters is a waste of time. It's not going to happen. But now enough time has passed, and attempts to get facts have been made that the proof is there for all to see.

We're just going to get more very poorly written, and not thought through op-eds from the basement "free" press. They lack the basic skill to find answers and the integrity to admit it. Instead of facts, and sources they offer name calling and excuses. What they fail to realize is that rather than being "free" they are slaves to their own blind will. And they actually expose Arpaio for what he is, rather than helping his cause.

So where from here?; February 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I think we just continue discussing as new topics come up. How about Sheila Polk's testimony that when she told Henderschot she wasn't going to comply with unreasonable requests for warrants, Henderschot told her that she would do it the way they wanted it done or would be next on the list. Channel 12. It's late tonight (11:00) because of the Olympics coverage, but I've set the DVR to catch it. I wasn't recording during the 6:00 news.; February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Andrew looked rather nervous on the stand. Oh, things are just starting to heat up! This is far better than I could have dreamed! I have a vision, a vision of Arpaio, Henderblimp, and Thomas all skewered and roasting on an open flame! Turn 'em over, don't want to cook 'em too much on one side!

:); February 16, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Channel 5 also showed the video of Sheila Polk's testimony of how Henderschot threatened her for refusing to, basically, "do as she was told". She's my new favorite player in this fiasco. The lady has a backbone and probably more cajonzes than Tweedle Dumb, Tweedle Dumber and Tweeld Dumbest. She was calm, cool and collected and spoke with poise. Henderschot was glaring at her. Candy Andy squirmed and wiggled as if he had some bladder control issues. And the Feds were lined up along the back wall taking notes.

The pot is simmering. I'm guessing it will boil over soon.; February 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Anonymous said...: A nice set of matching indictments for all should be coming soon! Can't wait! I want to see the press conference where they show Joe running from the cameras instead of enjoying them!; February 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I'm also glad that Joke & Blimpie & Candy Andy have no jurisdiction in Yavapi County. Henderschot already filed a complaint with the FBI against her - some "obstruction of justice" or "conspiracy" nonsense. OK. So the FBI will look over her records and say "sorry to have bothered you, Your Honor." And the thrillsome threesome will be showering together to keep all the other inmates away... don't drop the soap, Dopes!; February 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: LOL - Anonymous

"I want to see the press conference where they show Joe running from the cameras instead of enjoying them!"

Now, really.... do you think he can resist? Let's find a good (historically popular) last statement for the camera.

"I had a dream" - ?

"I won't lie and tell you it doesn't hurt" - ?

"I did NOT have sex with that County Attorney" - ?

I know! I've got it!!

"Give It the Ring! It needses the Ring!"; February 16, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To Lawn order boy who calls me Gasser, and posted this bull crap,

(Claim: Arapio saves the taxpayers millions (some say billions) of dollars.

First evidence: From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts, with more than $50 million in claims being filed,[35] 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.[36] Allegations of cruel treatment of inmates as well as living conditions have been cited by Amnesty International in a report issued on the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities.[37])

Lol. What some misleading blind sheep food you posted here, for about the tenth time now. Can’t get any real facts, so you repost the same garbage?

FACT, One third of all inmates in tent city are here illegally. They file abuse suites against Joe, for having to stay in a tent. This report tries to convince all, that 50 million in tax dollars was paid out. NOT, most of these cases are thrown out of court. Where is the rest of the story? The part that tells how many are thrown out? Did you forget to post this very important part of your so called facts? Yes it is 50 times New York jails, we have 50 times more illegals in our jails here.

YES, Joe saves the county a hundred times more than what is paid out in bull crap law suites. Just by having tent city alone. Not to mention he feeds the inmates for less than fifty cents a day. Sorry, we can’t afford billion dollar prisons to house your workers.
If you don’t like tents and fifty cent daily meals, don’t unleash the power of the MCSO.

Are you willing to pay for a billion dollar prison? Are you willing to pay for more police? Are you willing to pay for counseling of all the inmates, so Joe don’t have to be tough against crime? Until you are ready to pay for it, we need a tough sheriff. Hate to break the news to you but, jail is meant to punish, not rehabilitate. Yes there will be the babies crying there rights were violated. One third of his inmates don’t deserve any rights. The same ones filing all the thrown out cases.

You say Joe’s sweeps haven’t paid off lol, are you nuts or what? Joe is doing something to prevent crime. He is sending a message to Mexico. If your meth backs come here, there going to get busted. You don’t like the numbers Joe provides for you ? To bad, it’s not about numbers, it’s about the message Joe is sending to the whole world! As usual lawn boy, you have no real facts, just twisted statistics.; February 17, 2010 at 4:10 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Proof to all blind sheep. Why Joe must remain our sheriff.

Fact 1)
Joe saves the county billions. Tent city is over a billion alone. The cost for new jails to house these inmates would cost over a billion. Another way, Joe’s chain gangs does county jobs for free. ( all members of the chain gang are volunteers.) Yes city officials hate Joe for the chain gangs. They believe a union worker should be doing these jobs and making $35 an hour to do the work prisoners do for free. Weaker sheriffs fell to these officials, Joe is the only sheriff with the bulls to stand up to city officials, and still use free labor instead of union labor.; February 17, 2010 at 4:49 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Proof to all blind sheep. Why Joe must remain our sheriff.

Fact 2)
Joe stands up to the system that runs the Feds and media. Joe arrests their modern day slave. Against what he was told by the Feds, to leave the illegals alone. Another sheriff will most likely do as all the rest in our country, and do as the system says to do.

We NEED a tough sheriff and one with bulls enough to take on the Feds.; February 17, 2010 at 4:51 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Proof to all blind sheep. Why Joe must remain our sheriff.

Fact 3)
Joe was against building the new court house that is costing us four hundred million dollars! The same officials behind spending this money, now have Joe in court, claiming Joe abused his power debating this waste of money. Yet not one official has Joe’s deputies on video tape, coming to their house at dinner time to debate this waste of money? Sorry, this is the age of video taping everything. If these officials knew Joe’s deputies were knocking on doors to debate the building of the new court house, wouldn’t one of got it on tape? Of course they would of, if it really would of happened. These officials know Joe was right. This was a huge waste of money, now police and fire fighters are getting laid off. Yes I will bet anything, these officials got laced by the building contractor. Why else would they spend four hundred million on something unimportant? Police and fire fighters help the majority. A new court house helped only the laced city officials and the builder.

Yes the system ran Feds and city officials want Joe gone. NO they will not succeed in a bull crap court trial. Yes the majority should want Joe. Yes we will succeed over the system, when we vote for Joe.; February 17, 2010 at 4:52 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Proof to all blind sheep. Why Joe must remain our sheriff.

Fact 4)
This valley is the only place in the country, where having a jail in tents is possible. Yes it gets hot in the tents. No hotter than anyone who works out side in the summer. At least they have shade and a fan. Working out side doesn’t give you such privilege.

No, there is no tents in New York, where the number of filed abuse charges in jail is 50 times lower than here. Yes, almost all the abuse charges filed are thrown out of court. These cases do not cost the tax payers a penny. The reason we have these abuse case being filed, saves us tax payers billions.

A weaker sheriff will fall to the system that will get laced by the building of a new jail. They say the tents are so abusive, when in reality, it is a privilege to stay in the tents. That is what you are told when you enter Joe’s jails too. If you screw up, you will lose the privilege to be jailed out side. It is a fact, being out side is much easier than being locked in a cement cell and steel doors. The tents are the extreme opposite to what the media has brain washed the majority into believing. Why? The system uses the media, just like Hitler did.; February 17, 2010 at 5:15 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Fact 5)
I'm not a fan of the current political system. When a politicians lips are moving they are lying. No matter what party they belong to.

I don't judge Joe on anything he has ever said. I judge Joe on his actions. Actions like; Tent city, his willingness to buck the system that wants to keep the modern day slave here, the national attention Joe brings to the modern day slave issue, his attempt to try and stop the waste of four hundred million on a new court house, his willingness to acknowledge the out come of spending this four hundred million with police and fire fighters being laid off, and I judge Joe for his stand on being a tough sheriff.

Yes we need a tough sheriff to curve the crime here. Yes crime keeps going up. Not thanks to Joe, but thanks to the Federal government that got us into a recession and loves slaves. Joe BUCKS the Feds. The same people trying to put him out of power. With the help of the city officials that insisted on spending four hundred million, instead of keeping all our police and fire fighters.

I judge Joe for what he does for the majority, instead of for the system.

Yes, it is good to see Joe on TV. He does bring attention to the problems most turn a blind eye too. No, I don't judge Joe for his words on TV. I judge Joe for what he has shown the world.; February 17, 2010 at 5:38 AM
The True MCSO said...: Mark,

If anything, the testimony of Polk shows exactly that Sheriff Joe and his merry band abuse their power, and that nobody should listen to ignorant people like you. Go back to your Circle K or bus driving Job and leave the thinking to the rest of us.; February 17, 2010 at 6:00 AM
Anonymous said...: They are all polititions, Wilcox, is quilty too for supporting illegals!; February 17, 2010 at 7:44 AM
sPeAk aNd SPeLl said...: very QUILTY, mmmkay......; February 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM
Lawn Order said...: This is, Mark- you can find my facts for yourself. Yours are made up, and I've already indicated where i think they come from. Why else would you continually refuse to name so much as a single source of information? You only think you know what you're talking about. Post 50 times in a row- it won't make anyone any smarter.

See how I don't think I have to call you a name to make my point. Because I have one that I can prove. You don't.; February 17, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Lawn Order said...: "
Yes we need a tough sheriff to curve (sic) the crime here." You'll really like the next one then. Joe can't prove how effective or ineffective he is in the one area you care about. Probably not too effective since immigration enforcement was the area covered by the destroyed documents and those he didn't turn over. He keeps poor records.

Mark, dispute any of the above with facts that we can find for ourselves (give the source). If he were doing well, don't you think he'd show that.

The next Sheriff will do what other law enforcement heads do- keep accurate records. He will also enforce the whole law, not just the parts that will land him in the media.

Mark, you've never explained- if the media is so corrupt, why does Joe like it so much? Why does he go on and sit down with them and help their businesses? Is it a "birds of a feather" thing, or is he a blind sheep who needs Mark Gasser to tell him what is going on? I hope you're laughing, Mark- everyone else is.

The next Sheriff will do his whole job. Mark, isn't that what you want?; February 17, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Lawn Order said...: Mark- you speak often of the "modern day slaves" a term of art that dehumanizes these persons of Hispanic heritage. "Slave" implies that they were forcibly relocated. In fact, almost all of them came of their own accord, many even willingly paying others to bring them here. One wonders, given your vernacular and narratives, how much concern you have for your fellow human beings who are here illegally. A competent law enforcement agency (that documents their actions and effectiveness) should enforce immigration laws. That is not what we have now. Instead we have a Sheriff who because of abuses, such as those documented below has had his federal authority stripped from him. May of these abuses are carried out against US Citizens because of their skin color.

I don't want to create a long post, so instead I ask that you use the following link to the article of the Courthouse News Service to read of these horrifying (a word I don't use lightly) abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Anyone can rail against a system that promotes exploitation. It's a real problem. But of more immediate concern are the abuses by those who are supposed to enforce the law- ALL the laws- on behalf of the citizenry, and those who are guests (legal and illegal) in the USA, specifically in Maricopa County. And lest I set you off on tear, there have been several cases in the news of late regarding US citizens that are alleged to have been in North Korea and Iran ilegally, and those who allegedly committed illegal acts in Haiti and Iraq while they were guests of those countries.

I don't think any reasonable person would suggest that they be tortured or denied basic human rights because of the allegations against them. Yet, that is the culture promoted, and approved-of by Arpaio's MCSO and the County Attorney's office. It brings shame to the people of Maricopa County and costs lots of tax dollars for legal fees that should be used to educate children or make all the people safer.; February 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Michael said...: The sheriff arrests illegal immigrants because they are illegal, period. The sheriff enforces laws on the books, they do not decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. The sheriff is doing what the public elected him to do, so get off his back. If you don't like a law get your lawmakers to change it.; February 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Anonymous said...: The Sheriff has just been accused, and looks like he will be prosecuted, for actions of the MCSO Office. As a leader Joe knows good and well that this rests solely on his head. He has broken the law, yes the one on the books, and the dark cloud of prosecution is coming to visit. Don't care what you all think about illegals, we can't control it from Maricopa County anyway (Just look at a Map of AZ) but as for Joe and all of his die hard supporters, Where is you hero now! I don't care if you say it was his officers, his office, his clerks etc, etc... The bottom line is he is the top dog at MCSO and he will pay for the stupidity of his officers. Get over it.; February 17, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Does anyone know if Mark Gasser and JW Simms have shot themselves yet???; February 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Mark, with your logic maybe we should have Joe go after Mesa, Gilbert, Surprise, Tempe, Buckeye, DPS and a number of other areas and agencies for all the wasteful spending they have done. 56million on a fire police complex in Surprise, Millions on new fire stations in Mesa and Gilbert, Gilberts multi million dollar law complex, DPS and their waste on purchasing expensive BMW motorcycles for officers, shall I go one.. You have really proven yourself to be a complete and total idiot. I have to thank you though, because there are probably a good number of people on this site who were maybe on the fence with Joe and because of your personal attacks, vomit and Nazi sympathy they have all come over to the side of common sense. Thanks buddy...; February 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Joe should arrest himself for abuse of power.; February 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Lawn Order said...: To whmomever wrote: "The sheriff arrests illegal immigrants because they are illegal, period. The sheriff enforces laws on the books, they do not decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore."

You should tell that to Joe Arpaio. He doesn't enforce all the laws. In fact the feds yanked his authority because he was breaking them. There are plenty of other laws that go unenforced because he's after publicity and self-aggrandizement. Read about it- it's been in all the papers.

The people I have seen that are against Arpaio, almost to a man or woman- like the laws and want them enforced. That's why they want a tough Sheriff, not one who simply talks tough. He's evidently fooled some of the people all of the time. That expression is most commonly attributed to a politician- Abraham Lincoln. Some say that it is actually quoting P.T. Barnum. In Maricopa County, it is fittingly being put to practical use by a politician who has created a circus.; February 17, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Anonymous said...: "The sheriff arrests illegal immigrants because they are illegal..." It's all the US citizens he arrests because of their last name or skin color, assuming that they have broken the immigration laws. It's those arrests and the policies that cause them which are the root of many of Arpaio's lawsuits, and many of the taxpayer-funded MCSO payouts to victims of such mis-treatment.

"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't mean much to Arpaio. He's got it backwards. Don't take my word- read the court transcripts. They're worse than anything I have said here. It sickens a lot of people who had hoped that he was a competent lawman. They want the immigration laws enforced WELL, but they don't want the other laws ignored.; February 17, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Anonymous said...: I agree with you. Arpaio believe in guilty until proven innocent. Arpaio and those who think the way he does are a cancer on the Arizona legal system that needs to be removed.; February 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Anonymous said...: @Michael above who said,

"If you don't like a law get your lawmakers to change it."

The laws that are already on the books that govern what is and is not abuse of power should be enough to get rid of your boy Arpaio. If you don't like THOSE laws change them.; February 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Anonymous said...: We have hired Joe for many years to keep az. citizens safe, now we need to support him, we need a tough sheriff to rid az. of illegals. It's easier for the pro illegal government to take over,our rights as a voting citizen for what has & is right. For many years gov. has'nt done much to keep us safe. Why don't they close the boarder to help Joe out?; February 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: F*ck that! He made his bed so he should lie in it! Nobody told him to have his chief deputy threaten another Attorney General or the mayor of Phoenix or the judges or....the list goes on and on and on.

Goodbye and good riddance Arpaio bully of Maricopa county!; February 17, 2010 at 3:42 PM
Lawn Order said...: "We have hired Joe for many years to keep az. citizens safe, now we need to support him, we need a tough sheriff to rid az. of illegals." He's not keeping people safe. Read the reports, not his PR! He's a politician- and they often don't do what people think they've hired them to do. Don't be shocked.

You want to keep supporting someone who has broken the law and abused his power. Well that says a lot about you! And his only job that matters is ridding AZ of illegals? Really? I am certain that you live in an area that doesn't exclusively depend on MCSO for local law enforcement. Those who do take a different view! He's not even very good at the one thing that he and you keep making noise about.

Nobody has ever disproved anything that has been reported about him. Go ahead and try!!! But cite the sources of your info when you do. Otherwise it's just more uninformed noise. His supporters hate it when I cite the facts- says a lot too, but here's where to look:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)

Don't cry here about the facts you don't like- PROVE them wrong, with evidence. That's not going to happen. And when you call names, and come up with your own facts- I will simply post these sources of FACTUAL INFORMATION again.; February 17, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Lawn Order said...: One more thing- if he's really RIDDING AZ of illegal immigrants- why do you keep posting that it needs to be done?; February 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Ben Franklin would hate Arpaio said...: Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.

-- Benjamin Franklin

Those who support Arpaio could learn something from Ben's quote.

Here is another one which I believe applies very well to Apraio and his arrogant, "trust me I am the law" attitude.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Choose freedom.

-- Benjamin Franklin; February 17, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...: To the incredibly uninformed person who wrote: "we need a tough sheriff to rid az. of illegals".

Do you realize that Arpaio is NOT the Sheriff of AZ, and he has done a very poor job of the one thing you people keep harping on. That's documented, Slappy. Wouldn't you rather have an effective Sheriff? Can anyone who supports Joe go out on a limb and answer that simple question?; February 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Unfortunately there is more to the story. The media is dictated by the polititions who are running our country right now. as part of their agenda who,what,when is reported. When media reports, they blow it up & this is definitly the attempt to get people to believe in amnesty for illegals. Since Obamas been in office it started with racial, equalilty, spread the wealth, this is pure B.S. Hopefully more americans will wake up to the corruption all around us.; February 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: People who are so against Joe, need to look at the whole picture!; February 17, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Anonymous said...: I have seen the WHOLE PICTURE and it stinks to high heaven. This is America! There have been laws in place to prevent this sort of crap since the founding fathers founded this country! When a person abuses his authority so severely he must be removed!; February 17, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Anonymous said...: To whomever wrote:"People who are so against Joe, need to look at the whole picture". That's why they want a better Sheriff.

Now it's your turn to look at the whole picture. Not just the immigration issue, at which Arpaio does a job so poor that the feds took away some of his authority. You might want to look at the following to expand your horizons:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf); February 17, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Anonymous said...: I would still be for getting illegal immigrants out of the country even after the sheriff is removed from office. I have only one problem with his illegal immigration policies. The MCSO was guilty of racial profiling in the past. Aside from that I have not problem with the MCSO on that issue. I am also not a fan of his abuse of power problems. He needs to go. We need a new sheriff!; February 17, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if Mark Gasser and JW Simms have shot themselves yet???

February 17, 2010 1:35 PM

Well, no, but I did get JW Simms to shut up last Saturday due to his horrible conduct on these blogs. I doubt very much that he has shot himself, but rather is musing on how to "re-appear" as "someone else". I'm sure we'll see him soon, healthy (but brain dead) as always.

Mark, if I am awake and aware, is very much alive and continuing to post his rants and raves as he always has, so I don't think he has shot himself either.

You Go Joe! guys really need to get past the illegal immigration issue and see Joseph M. Arpaio for the corrupt politician he really is. If you're interested in becoming enlightened, just say so. I can feed you hours and hours of reading material.

I moved to AZ in 1998. My first "WTF?" moment was when I saw the Nick Tarr arrest video. I thought there was some ongoing practical joke in local politics going on and I simply hadn't keyed in on it. Then I realized it was no joke. It was THE JOKE. I've paid a lot more attention to the issue ever since. But it was not until Arpaio (assisted by Blimpe Henderschot and Candy Andy and Dennis Wilenchek) arrested New Times Execs Larkin and Lacey (in the middle of the night driving black SUV's with Mexican license plates) that I said:

NO MORE!!!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!

He wanted my IP address and browsing history. And probably the same from many of you out here. To Fish. To see if he could find reason to investigate you and me. Larkin and Lacey took one for the team and said "No, no, no! We'll go to jail first. Lookie here, everyone, here is what the local "law" wants to do. And many of us were outraged then and still are now.

"Joe's Law" is a crazy book about a crazy man with a crazy agenda. Unfortunately, with the "Go Joe! Round up them illegals" crowd, Joe's law is coming to fruition.

Put a stop to it now! I will NOT be ruled by a senile retired DEA "Nickel Bag" mongrel who says things like "You know what it is? It's this 'civil rights' stuff - all of that CRAP!"

How DARE that senile old man call MY CIVIL RIGHTS "CRAP" ???

Anxiously awaiting rebuttal.; February 17, 2010 at 7:12 PM
Anonymous said...: "I did get JW Simms to shut up last Saturday due to his horrible conduct ..."

Liz, how did you go about that?; February 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Sheriff Joe is pompous, with a lack of intelligence and reality. His conduct goes well beyond the office of Sheriff and saying he is abusing his authority is an understatement! Destroying documents apparently runs rampant in his office...just look at what one of his deputies did in open court to an attorneys paperwork not that long ago.; February 17, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: Anonymous said...
"I did et JW Simms to shut up last Saturday due to his horrible conduct..."

Liz, how did you go about that?"

Here's how, Anonymous Dude:

J.W. Simms said...
Liz F - North Phoenix said...

Lawn Order -

I hope that Simms' deleted comments are still on record with KPHO's blog administrators. If he threatens me again, I will contact law enforcement. It would take the police about 5 minutes to track him down. Just the fact that he repeatedly comes out here for the sole purpose of spewing his immoral vomit on us proves that he has some serious issues and some intervention may be in order.

:Shut up!! you retarded old hack, just because I know who you are and what you are, DOES NOT!! constitute a threat, I did not! say that I was going to shove that dead puppy up your ass, I merely said that I would "like" to shove that dead puppy up your ass. If that statement constitutes a threat, see you in court baby. J.W. Simms.

February 14, 2010 8:48 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...
Thank you for proving my point, Simms.

I repeat, you have some serious issues and some intervention may be in order.

And yes, those do constitute threats.

February 14, 2010 8:57 AM
J.W. Simms said...
Liz F - North Phoenix! Gee Lizzy, I do hope that this last post does not upset you in any way. Since it is clear to me, that I have indeed gotten to you, something that you! said I could not do, coupled with the fact that, ( In my opinion ) you are a vile, disgusting excuse for a person, whom I have no further use for. Therefore Lizzy I bid you a "not so fond adieu."

PS: This means we can no longer be Valentines. The enchanting Mr. J.W. Simms.

February 14, 2010 9:14 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...
No, Simms, you haven't "gotten to me". I find you crude and disgusting, but that's just because of your stellar personality.

You said you "know who I am" which implies that you know my identity, and could, concievably, locate me. You know "what I am" (and the contemptuous sentiment expressed again with your above post that I am a vile, disgusting excuse for a person) which implies that you see me as some THING of no worth, and you have expressed a desire to commit a violent act against me".

This, taken in context with the other rage you have expressed toward me, and your clearly unstable mental state, do indeed legally constitute a viable threat.

No, I'm afraid you're right on one point, Simms. We definately can't be Valentines. I hope this is indeed 'adieu', fondly or not.

February 14, 2010 9:22 AM

There have been NO JW Simms posts since this exchange. That does not mean he's not here under a different name and I would recognize his demeanor if I come across him, but as of right now, I can't say I've seen him - which is a good thing for everyone.; February 17, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Ha! That's good. I thought I had read all the posts, I guess not. I suspect you're correct, he may be lurking, but I doubt that he can post.

Maybe Joe Arpaio will fade away in like manner.; February 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: We can only hope...; February 17, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Mark Gasser said...: to the Joe hater who posted this,

(This is, Mark- you can find my facts for yourself. Yours are made up, and I've already indicated where i think they come from. Why else would you continually refuse to name so much as a single source of information? You only think you know what you're talking about. Post 50 times in a row- it won't make anyone any smarter.

See how I don't think I have to call you a name to make my point. Because I have one that I can prove. You don't.)

Made up facts you say about me? What part exactly are you referring to?
The fact the Feds love the modern day slaves? Open your eyes, try and prove differently.

Your facts on the other hand, are the facts you take in from the media.
Did you ever wonder why you can see the exact same news story on two different news stations, and get two completely different meanings of the same story?

My facts come from the same sources yours do, when it comes to the media. However, I watch and listen to the facts, and don't listen to the twist the reporter is trying to sell. You should try that your self some time. You won't be as blind of a sheep if you do. Sorry, media twist is not how we get the real truth, like you have been swallowing. Why don’t you try what I do, and talk to many different illegals? You may actually learn something about the system that loves them and Mexico.

Again, what fact would you like proof of? I’ll be happy to spoon feed you the real truth. Also, why don’t you try looking at the facts without all the hate you have for Joe and the power of the MCSO. Your anger towards the law has made you a complete blind sheep.; February 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To the blind who posted this,

(Mark, you've never explained- if the media is so corrupt, why does Joe like it so much? Why does he go on and sit down with them and help their businesses? Is it a "birds of a feather" thing, or is he a blind sheep who needs Mark Gasser to tell him what is going on? I hope you're laughing, Mark- everyone else is.)

Yes I am laughing at how ignorant you proven to be. Are you really this ignorant? Or just this young? Joe is a public official. He has no choice but to answer to the media.
Joe has used the media to bring more attention to the modern day slave system than any other politician we have. You illegal lovers should love Joe for this.

Do you really believe the media isn’t controlled by the interest of it’s sponsors and other lobbyist forces? How do you think the Dixie Chicks got taken off our air waves, when they didn’t agree with president Bush? The system owns the media, that is why we don’t here them anymore. Maybe you are too young to remember this? Do you really believe money isn’t the key word when it comes to the media? If you do, you are not a sheep with closed eyes, you are out right blind.; February 18, 2010 at 1:49 AM
Mark Gasser said...: Yes, we ALL should love Joe

Even the illegals here. Joe has brought more attention to the modern day slave issue than any other politician. Yes Joe enforces all the laws. By doing so, he has opened the eyes of many blind sheep, who don’t know the first thing about the illegals and why they are here.

What do the haters have on Joe? Abuse of power? For trying to stop a four hundred million dollar waste of money? That is what the abuse of power charges are about. It amazes me how so many haters support these officials that are the cause of police and fire fighters being laid off. Hate is blind.

What else do the haters have? They say Joe destroyed records! Oh my God, this is the crime of the century. For one, it has never been proven that Joe destroyed anything on record. Paper work isn’t killing Americans, criminals are. Joe arrest the criminals, that is his job. Maybe he needs a better secretary? But we will never get a better sheriff, that is a fact. There has never been a more famous sheriff in the history of America. No other sheriff can bring national attention to the system like Joe does.

What extremes do the Joe haters go to? We keep seeing web links to the same old news stories by Joe haters. Links that provide media twist and turns. I proved this about the PBS special report and the goldwater report.
But you don’t need me to do this, just open your eyes to the facts, and ignore what the reporter is trying to brain wash you into believing.

When enough blind sheep open their eyes, we will have a country by the people for the people. Joe is opening eyes, yes we all have to love Joe.; February 18, 2010 at 2:22 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To Lawn Order said...

You keep asking me to state my sources? What, you think the media has reported on the system that runs them? Lol, you are kidding right? Did you ever hear the words meth back and modern day slave in the media? Of course not, so now you don’t think either one is real? You really are blind.

No, your knowledge of lawn mowers and hedge trimers does not qualify you to tell us how the world runs. Your only facts come from the system ran media. Just remember, there is always two sides to the story. No, the media doesn’t give both sides, just the side of the ones who own them. Your knowledge of this world is very one media sided. No, all the grass you cut didn’t teach you a thing about the real world.

I understand why you have so much hate for Joe. He keeps arresting your workers. To bad, it is people like you who keep the modern day slave system in power. Did you know it is now illegal to hire an illegal? No, Joe didn’t make that law, but he will enforce it, Mark my words.; February 18, 2010 at 3:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Talk about abuse of authority, another reason to get rid of Obama & the corruption.; February 18, 2010 at 6:01 AM
Anonymous said...: You are the one who called me a hater. It's obvious, Mark, that what you report as fact are really your really your twisted ideas. The only person you're fooling is you! Say anything you want, post 50 times in a row. People want to know what's going on with their tax dollars. It's in the public record an is reported in the news. You don't seem to like it. Too bad- deal with it. Whereas you claim to have never talked to a deputy, those in the media have, and have reported what they found out, and put some of those people on the air- good or bad.

Believe it or not, Mark- most people are smart enough to distinguish delusional propaganda (what you post) from legitimate news reporting. In legitimate reporting the reporter doesn't resort to calling people names. They call illegal immigrants just that, not "modern day slaves". And your posts go downhill from there.

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Otehr good sources of FACTS with source citations are:
The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf); February 18, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous posted this above,

"Talk about abuse of authority, another reason to get rid of Obama & the corruption."

If you want corruption, look no further than Arpaio. As far as Obama is concerned, he is the least corrupt elected president in a generation, but you haters would not know that, since all you see is his blackness.; February 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Tea Bag on yo face said...: This thread is about Apraio and his crimes not Obama. You Tea-bagger guys are always trying to change the subject.; February 18, 2010 at 3:51 PM
J.W. Simms. said...: Lawn Order said...

JW Simms: Told ya'. Enjoy reading these blogs.

Don't know a whole lot do you? " creep " J.W. Simms.; February 18, 2010 at 7:24 PM
size 70? said...: I enjoyed watch fat Henderblimp squirm on the witness stand. That fatty is about to get PWNED hard by the judicial system! This is only the beginning fatty!; February 18, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Lawn Order said...: This info appeared on New Times website. Unlike some- they don't make the information up. You might not think highly of them (and I don't like a lot of smutty ads they feature). You can find the proof in the public record like they did. They have reporters who get paid to do that. Here's one interesting part (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/02/sheriff_joe_arpaios_pricey_dc.php):

"But Arpaio and Thomas have shown in the past that they're willing to pay through the nose for any lawyer with a fancy resume. They actually paid some silly D.C. firm $990 an hour to make the case that they should be allowed to read e-mails from local judges. (They lost, again and again.) They paid another silly D.C. firm to push their plan to eliminate Spanish-language DUI probation services. Again, they lost -- and $498,000 was washed down the drain."

Seems to me, Mark Gasser, that all these claims of saving taxpayer's money is just so much spin. That's why you can't back it up with provable facts. Show us a study, or an article from a respected source to prove your point.

He's already admitted in court, destroying evidence that would hurt his abuse of authority case. You think that's okay? Sounds like hero worship to me. Now again, why do you prefer Arpaio to a Sheriff who will enforce all the laws, and do it with integrity?

The only reason I can think of that a man his age would be so determined to remain in office is that he knows what will happen when the next Sheriff finds out about all his misdeeds. That will end the careers of many currently in the upper echelons of MCSO.

Simms- your post was just as substantive of the others. You might want to take a picture of it.; February 18, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Lawn Order said...: Mark Gasser- I think you meant to say that you can cut through the facts and get right to the spin when it comes to news.; February 18, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To the desperate hater with no facts or knowledge, that posted this.

(If you want corruption, look no further than Arpaio. As far as Obama is concerned, he is the least corrupt elected president in a generation, but you haters would not know that, since all you see is his blackness.)

So you are saying, anyone who doesn’t agree with Obama, is a racist? It is clear you are the only racist here. Not to mention clueless.

At least you are admitting that Obama is still corrupt. Yes Obama is controlled by the oil system. He made that clear, by his lack of action to change Americas mileage standards. Yes our very same American cars that are sold over seas, get far better mileage than the ones sold here. They have to meet the mileage standards of the over seas countries we sell them too. Which they do no problem. When foreign cars are sold here, they get far worse mileage, than when sold over seas. Why? Because oil controls ALL presidents. The fuel tax the government makes from our mileage standards is trillions of dollars. A tax the blind sheep of America pay without question. A tax that has doubled with the lack of ANY president changing the fuel standards here.

Open your eyes. Our cars got better mileage in the 80’s. The K Car got 40 to the gallon. Now the commercials we see on Hitler’s media brags about cars getting 30 to the gallon? Are you really that blind? Do you really think Obama is the next coming of Christ? Wake up and see the facts the rest of the world sees. Then you wonder why they call us dumb Americans? Keep cheering for your political party like you do your favorite sports team. The system is depending on that. But don’t expect any REAL change.

Joe is the only politician this country has, that the system can't buy.
Of course you don't support him. Hitler's media made you a complete blind sheep.; February 19, 2010 at 1:56 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this,

(Seems to me, Mark Gasser, that all these claims of saving taxpayer's money is just so much spin. That's why you can't back it up with provable facts. Show us a study, or an article from a respected source to prove your point.)

I proved Joe saves us just a billion alone on tent city. What kind of proof are you asking for, something Hitler’s media shows? Lol, you really are a blind sheep. You can lead a blind sheep to the truth, but you can't make them swallow it.

Seems to me, your only knowledge of anything comes directly from Hitler’s media. No, your knowledge of lawn mowers does not give you the ability to teach us anything. I know you can't think for your self. You proved that to all by repeating the same garbage over and over again.

No, no one is impressed with your occupation of being a lawn boy. Maybe a modern day slave is impressed with you, but for the most part, the rest of us a laughing at your name on here. Are you trying to sell your services here or are you bragging about being a lawn boy? Lol, Too dang funny for sure.; February 19, 2010 at 3:29 AM
Lawn Order said...: "a billion alone on tent city"- no you said he saved that much- you proved nothing. Show me an independent analysis that proves it. Cite the source.

I don't own a lawn mower- have no need to have one, we have desert landscaping (no grass). A little sample of the quality of your facts and conclusions.

I don't feel the need to impress you, Mark. I don't have to stoop to name calling; I share the facts I find about Arpaio. I am looking forward to the next Sheriff, who will properly enforce all the laws.

"Joe is the only politician this country has, that the system can't buy.
Of course you don't support him. Hitler's media made you a complete blind sheep." Man, you are off on a tagent. This is about Arpaio, not Hitler. However it comforts me to know how much you are bugged by my truthful posts about Arpaio, and his MCSO.

Now one wonders why Mark Gasser is always straying away from the subject of these blogs and resorting to fallacies like ad hominem attacks (laim ones), including very childish name-calling. This is about the Sheriff and how he performs his duties and upholds the laws he's supposed to enforce.

Here are some of the MANY references for those who want to read about Arapio from reliable sources. Mark Gasser hates the facts- they destroy his delusions.

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf; February 19, 2010 at 9:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Thank God for Joe....

good ole' Janet Napolitano FLED AZ as fast as she could ....

reasons:
a nice little state deficit....

and [still] NO control at the border...

Az is the Wild Wild West....and if it takes a WILD sheriff to
control crime....

THAT's why he gets Voted in over and over !

Why don't you liberals realize he is just protecting YOU !; February 19, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Thank god Arpaio will be out of office soon and your lonely opinion won't change that!

Good bye and good riddance!; February 19, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a consipiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html

You'll see he's a little short on facts and recollections. Hmmm...Mark Gasser- you've been trained in like manner. It doesn't hold water in a court of law.

What will become of those who propagandize on Joe's behalf? An honest, competent Sheriff will eschew their support. By the way- we're still waiting for those facts and figures to show how much money Arpaio has saved taxpayers, and how effective he's been at enforcing the one area of the law his supporters here seem to care about: Illegal immigration. Yes, facts and figures. Not portions of a poorly written and even worse-conceived manifesto.; February 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Napolitano was asked to take a new job. She accepted it. We can all disagree on how well she is performing it, or performed as Governor. But to say she fled is patent nonsense. More garbage instead of intelligent discussion about the issues at hand: Arpaio and what he's up to.; February 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this,

("a billion alone on tent city"- no you said he saved that much- you proved nothing. Show me an independent analysis that proves it. Cite the source.)

What, no lawns to mow today? Or did Joe arrest all your workers?
You are too much with you request above. Site my sources? It is called COMMON SENSE. If a new court house is costing us four hundred million, how much do you think a new jail will cost? Do the math Hitler media brain washed. No, the system ran media does not report on this. So you think it isn't reality? Think again!; February 19, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Lawn Order said...: Mark- sorry- you are a fool. You have NO facts. Your childish posts say more about you than I ever could. The only people who would be swayed by your idiotic name calling and smears are children- very young ones.

And by the way, Mark, since when is doing hard work such as landscaping shameful? Even though it's nowhere near what I have been trained to do, it is honorable. You are trying to imply that I am Hispanic- which says more about you than it does me. You are a racist. You like Arpaio very very much. One has to wonder why you would wish him upon the citizenry in lieu of an honest hardworking Sheriff who doesn't have to resort to destruction of evidence and other lawbreaking to keep people like you under his thumb.

"Hitler media brain washed" What does that even mean? Have you ever been to the Holocaust museum? If you have any sort of human (or humane) feelings, you wouldn't use such language to try to defend your god (Arpaio) by smearing someone who just wants good law enforcement. I call him your god because you worship him with a religious fervor that is not good for productive discourse.

Idiots and drunks can't hurt the feelings of intelligent people. I am not sure which category you're in, or whether you are just an Arpaio jihadist who will do and say whatever pops into your head or is dictated to you. It matters not to me. Your insults are not worthy of retribution, and are pathetically childish/ignorant. Perhaps either of those gives credit where it is not due. Children, you see, grow up and out of their childish ways. Ignorant people can be educated. You don't seem to fit well into either of those categories. Hamster might be more fitting- though if I am conversing with a hamster- I will have to concede that you have made a fool of me. If, as you have asserted, you are not a hamster- you have only made a fool of yourself.

A bit of proof of that is that you call upstanding citizens such disgusting names. They are every bit as accurate as the purported facts you try to foist upon the readers here. The problem- they are not ignorant like you, they can find the truth. You just regurgitate the garbage you've been fed- garbage out!

What you would call faith in him is really nothing more than credulity. Look both up.

In the meantime- I will continue to encourage those who read these blogs to educate themselves by learning the facts that Mark Gasser finds so abhorrent to his religious fervor:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a consipiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 19, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Lawn Order said...: Mark evidently you can't deal with my handle "Lawn Order" as an adult. It's a play on the title of the TV show "Law and Order", nothing more. But evidently too much for you. Maybe I should change it to "US Citizen". Perhaps that would help you to stay on topic. You sure seem to need the help.

Here again are some links to provable facts about Arpaio's MCSO:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a consipiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 19, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Wow! What rock did all these Joe supporters crawl from under? It is sad to think that all of you who support his tactics will be the first to cry if the table were turned around. This is America and we have a right to free speech and for those of you to continue to call those of us who are against Joe as not legal resident just shows how blind and ignorant you are. Joe will go down with all his croonies and all of you who support him will be left dumbfounded wandering what the hell were you doing supporting someone who would violate your rights to speak up or to be racially profiled. No you have no way of know what its like and that is why you continue to have a mind set of thinking everyone who is against Joe are illegal. Your wrong and you need to get your mind out of the tunnel your visiting and look at the mess he has created and the millions of dollars he has wasted or cost the tax payers of this county. Wake Up people this is not about Illegals it is straight up racial profiling and violations of peoples rights.; February 19, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Lawn Order said...: Actually despite their many many posts- I think there might be as few as two supporters posting here regularly. Note the spelling and grammar. It's hard to imagine that all of his supporters speak such poor English- especially when you consider that they are so fond of accusing those who post (with flawless spelling, grammar, and punctuation) facts in the public record, of being here illegally.

Nobody has ever accused his supporters posting here of being intelligent. They're certainly entitled to their opinions, but they can't defend them worth a hamster. So they resort to name calling and unfounded smears. Little do they know that there are much more sophisticated fallacies that they are leaving unused!; February 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Anonymous said...: We should be more worried about our government in Washington, make a big deal about that!; February 19, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Lawn Order said...: A little background on the Hendershott deposition in which he alleges a national conspiracy against Arpaio. That is nothing but delusions of grandeur and of reference to those in the legal and psychiatric communities. Unfortunately this sort of thing can be contagious to those who are highly impressionable, and pathologically unable to reason and use critical thinking.

"Is There No One Who Will Stand Up To Thomas, Arpaio" called the editorial page of the Arizona Republic on Dec 16, 2009. The morning paper outlined the problem: "...They filed a federal conspiracy complaint against, essentially, all of their political enemies. They lodged a criminal complaint against the presiding criminal court judge. They filed additional criminal charges against one county supervisor and freshly indicted a second..."; February 19, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Lawn Order said...: Many would agree: "We should be more worried about our government in Washington, make a big deal about that!" And many seem to be. So hopefully we won't have anyone try to derail this thread from the issues at hand anymore with that obvious red herring. No doubt there's another blog somewhere to address that. Find it- and goodbye. This blog is about Arpaio's MCSO. Read about it:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

More to come!; February 19, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this,

(Mark- sorry- you are a fool. You have NO facts. Your childish posts say more about you than I ever could. The only people who would be swayed by your idiotic name calling and smears are children- very young ones.)

Who's the one calling names here? I only called you the name you posted, lawn boy. Yes, that is all the intelligence one needs for your occupation. Why do you think so many modern day slaves work for you? Oh let me guess, you are a modern day slave too? Is that what you meant by name calling? I understand now. Thanks for telling us all.

By the way, thousands of people click on my name, and listen to what I have to say. No, they are not a blind sheep like you, nor a modern day slave, trust me. Let me guess, you want proof lol; February 19, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Mark Gasser said...: Hey lawn boy, you posted this? Again?

(Here again are some links to provable facts about Arpaio's MCSO:)

It is clear, you have been more than brain washed by Hitler's media. To the point you have become an excessive manic depressant. Get a grip lawn boy, the media posts facts twisted to the system. I know I know, you want proof. Just open your eyes blind sheep. You'll see all the proof you need.

Oh ya, you say you got your name from the show law and order? lol, I think Desperate House Wives would be much more fitting? lol again.; February 19, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Lawn Order said...: Hitler's dead- it was in all the papers, Mark. This is indicative of your "facts". Call me lawn boy if that makes you feel better about yourself. You haven't made anyone a bit smarter by your nonsense posts.

You think your posts are funny. The rest of us think they're ignorant. This thread, for example, is about Arpaio. You have talked about everything else except for your pro-Arpaio propaganda. You can't even answer simple questions. What more do we need to know about Mark Gasser? Nothing.

You're one of those kids who says: "What most people don't know....", aren't you?

For those who want facts:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf; February 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Lawn Order- why do you keep trying to argue with an idiot? Gasser can't reason critically or even spell. He just wants to bait you and call you names.

He's a Joe cultist. Don't waste your time on him.; February 19, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Law N order said...: I can't help but wonder from which part's of the valley the grand jury in the Joe Arpaio case was chosen from.; February 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Lawn Order said...: Law N order- not to be confused with the real thing: Lawn Order.

And what is your point? Would you please explain to us how grand juries are convened?; February 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: OK - I'll chime in.

Although I have called a truce with "a certain pro-Joe poster" that doesn't mean that I will not comment on this particular person's opinions.

Anyone with any common sense, who can watch the videos of court room occurances will know that Polk carried herself in a fine manner, while Arpaio, Henderschot and Thomas were nervous and frazzeled.

One simply can NOT watch these videos without being concerned about the information discussed. The Henderschot deposition (from what I have been able to view on video) is more of the same BS we've been hearing from the MCSO and MCAO for years and makes no sense.

David Henderschot believes that there is a conspiracy but doesn't recall "who" is involved. He eventually coughs up Napalitono and Obamah. His voice mails to Sheila Polk were outrageous and he has no basis for his threats and subsequent actions.

It is like something out of a bad episode of the Twighlight Zone to think these are the people in charge of law and order in Maricopa County.

Sheila Polk for A.G. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!; February 19, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Anonymous said...: I quess you anti-arpio people might wake up if you become a victim, like the car crash caused by an illegal & you have to pay for all damages in the crash. You like to call it racial profiling, if someone is pulled over not obeying the law, & of course more than likely illegals don't have any proper I.D. It's called illegal & trespassing, so when you become a victim just maybe you'll understand that Joe does his job by THE LAW & LEGALLY.; February 19, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Lawn Order said...: Someone here illegally without insurance totaled one of our cars, and damaged several others. Fortunately despite the financial injury, there were no serious medical problems for anyone involved. We were angry that they took no financial responsibility. That is bad, but not a societal problem like a man with a badge who runs an agency as he sees fit.

Arpaio is something society can do something about. And it is incumbent upon society to act when there is such a mountain of evidence as there is for his malfeasance. It has been ignored for too long while people in general gulped down his "tough guy" PR to give them a false sense of safety and security.

He didn't stop the person who caused the wreck from coming here, nor did he have anything to do with deporting that person. But he makes a lot of PR noise that those who can't be bothered to inform themselves just regurgitate in forums like this.

Time for a new Sheriff who will actually enforce all of the laws for the public good and not destroy evidence to serve himself.; February 19, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Law N order said...: I just finished watching a clip of chief deputy Hendershot on channel 3 news. Man! this guy was great, he didn't even flinch or blink when asked if he believed there was a conspiracy in the works against sheriff Joe Arpaio and MCSO. Of course there is and it begins with the Obama administration who wants to just give! 12 million illegal immigrants permanent citizenship. The President sure doesn't need some small time sheriff out west throwing a wrench into his plans. Then there are the corrupt Arizona politicians! mainly from around the Phoenix area, who would like nothing better than to see the sheriff and chief deputy gone, before! their indictments go to trial. Probably the biggest threat though, comes from the pro illegal immigration groups, who are putting the most pressure on the corrupt politicians to get rid of the pain in their! butt sheriff. Is there a conspiracy against the sheriff? You can bet on that and take your money to the bank.; February 19, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Lawn Order said...: Law N order- how about coming up with an original handle to keep me from being confused for you? Since you evidently have difficulty with originality, try "Confirmed Liar", "Fake Human", "Copycat" or something like that.; February 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM
Lawn Order said...: Or watch your posts get deleted. Don't believe me? Just do it once more.; February 19, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Lawn Order said...: Trying to fool readers by using a copied handle just shows the utter desperation of the Arpaio crowd to keep the facts hidden. How's that working for ya'?

You know you can't win an honest debate. Ever played chess? If so, I bet you brought a loaded gun.; February 19, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Mark Gasser said...: Liz,
It is ok if you want to use my name in your posts, when disputing anything I say. I know we called a truce, but it is all good, if we don’t agree on Joe. We are different, and that is what makes the world interesting. You judge Joe on certain things and I judge Joe for other things. Neither one of our opinions are wrong, if it is our opinion. We are entitled to what we think, and no one can say we are wrong for having an opinion.; February 20, 2010 at 4:19 AM
Mark Gasser said...: To lawn boy who posted this,

(You think your posts are funny. The rest of us think they're ignorant.)

You and goldwater piss report’s cheer leader, are not the only ones on here. I hate to inform you but, yes, we are ALL laughing at what a fool you have made of your self here. You keep posting and posting and re-posting the same twisted media reports. No, you have not provided any evidence against Joe in any way shape or form. Just Hitler system media twisted stories, posted over and over again. The same stories I proved wrong in previous posts.

Then you got the balls to say an illegal that totaled your car is not the problem here, Joe is? Some eyes never will open, even when the facts run head on into them. That you have proven for sure. You are too much, to say the least.

Hey, I thought you said you don’t call names? What do you call this from one of your other post? Who is the liar here?
(Law N order- how about coming up with an original handle to keep me from being confused for you? Since you evidently have difficulty with originality, try "Confirmed Liar", "Fake Human", "Copycat" or something like that.)

If you really meant Law n order, and not your occupation, why wouldn’t you of posted it Law N order? You are not fooling anyone lawn boy, except maybe Gabrielle.

Joe is far from the problem here. It is blind sheep that is the problem, and the reason the rest of the world calls us dumb Americans. The rest of the world knows America has one honest politician that the system can’t buy, JOE. If the corrupt city officials that have Joe in court right now, win. The rest of the world will be shaking their heads once again and saying, “they really all are dumb Americans.”; February 20, 2010 at 4:47 AM
Anonymous said...: MarKk Gasser- nonsensical rambling isn't worth a response. Have a nice day. And for those who would like to know what is going on with Arpaio's MCSO:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a consipiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 20, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Law N order said...: I had chosen the name ( Law N order ) which I use in these blog's, due to the fact that, that! is what I believe sheriff Joe Arpaio and MCSO so vehemently stand for and I have a great deal of respect for that. I had assumed that ( Lawn Order ) had chosen the name he uses, due to how well the landscaping is maintained around his premises, or possibly, his choice of employment in the field of mowing/maintaining lawn's around the valley. I also assume that if, as he has stated" ( Lawn Order ) actually had the power to have another's post deleted, a person of his antagonistic nature, would have abused that power and would have had many many post deleted by now.

When I first started reading these blog's, I had assumed that they were so we could voice our opinions about sheriff "Joe Arpaio" and the job we though he was doing, not our opinions of each other. ( Lawn Order! ) I would suggest that you stick to the original purpose of this blog. I know!! I assume a lot.; February 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...: I wonder how much evidence was, is being shredded on capitol hill? This is definitly something worth reporting on. Somebody should be reporting & go after! This is toxic out of Washington.; February 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I know that a lot of people don't view the New Times as a "real newspaper" and are reluctant to browse their articles (perhaps for fear that Arpaio will want their IP addresses and browsing histroy to determine if they are part of this broad conspiracy against him - LOL!) but if you can bring yourself to click on this New Times link, there are 2 videos that are facinating. Each is about 11 minutes and is video of the testimony of Shiela Polk and Andy Thomas discussing the investigations and indictments of Stapley, and to a lesser degree, Wilcox and Donahoe.

They are very interesting and enlightening, and clearly demonstrate the differences in poise and character between the two prosecutors. It is not opinion or editorial. It is fact - videotaped testimony.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/02/video_clips_links_from_sheila.php; February 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Lawn Order said...: It is difficult to track even basic MCSO crime statistics. Local police
departments, including Phoenix and Tempe, make crime rate statistics available on their websites. By contrast, MCSO’s website appears to contain no crime statistics or budget fi gures, except for an occasional news release.

The taxpayers and their representatives cannot determine MCSO’s eff ectiveness or its stewardship of public funds without carefully kept and easily accessible statistics. MCSO annually reports that the most basic crime statistics it provides to the county are incomplete. Given that the safety and security of Maricopa County’s citizens is at stake, better record-keeping and greater transparency is essential.

From the Goldwater report; February 20, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Lawn Order said...: Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html; February 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Lawn Order said...: Here are some links to facts about Arpaio's MCSO. Disprove them if you can- with facts that can be found in the public record. That's never been done- attesting to their accuracy:

The Wikipedia article on "Joe Arpiao" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio); the 5-part Pulitzer-winning East Valley Tribune series on MCSO (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/page/reasonable_doubt); and the Goldwater Institute report on MCSO (http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Img/Mission Unaccomplished.pdf)
Rank-and-file county staff reveal fear of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0129mctension0129.html

http://www.sheriffjoecorruption.com/Top%20Stories%20Page%202.html

If you want to read of some awful MCSO abuses of other human beings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/24730.htm

Here's a link to the complaint filed in US District Court on behalf of Celia A Alvarez: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/16/Arpaio1.pdf

Here's a link to a story and some video regarding Hendershott's deposition in which he alleges a consipiracy covering all branches of government right up to the White House:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/02/18/20100218hendershotttestifies02182010-CR.html; February 20, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Lawn Order said...: To whoever felt the need to copy my handle and wrote "I had chosen the name ( Law N order )...." after you saw that I was using publicly available information to expose Arpaio for what he is. You then thought you would confuse people by choosing a similar handle with the same letters in the same order with only a space added.

Your efforts to mislead people are indicative of the tactics of your god and hero, Joe Arpaio. They won't work here any better than they do in federal court.

Most people are not as ignorant as you are.; February 20, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Lawn Order said...: I have had this handle (Lawn Order) for about two weeks- you copied it yesterday. You are desperate to protect Arpaio from himself. This isn't going to work. People can see through your attempt to deceive them with your pro-Joe nonsense posts. You are just as dishonest as he is.; February 20, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Liz F - North Phoenix said...: I was just reading an article on Arpaio's 2009 campaign fund which claims that some of Joe's campaign donation funds were used to pay rental income to Shurff and Missus Arapio's real estate company for Joe's campaign office. The attached report is 2842 pages and would crash my computer if I tried to download it. I have asked the writer of the article for specifics. IE... was it paid to Eva Investments (their real estate company - at least, that's the one that I know of) and what the dollar amount is.

That smacks suspiciously of the same dirty deed that he's trying to convict Stapley of. The difference being, of course, that Stapley's campaign was for a private board and had nothing to do with the public at large, and Arpaio's campaign was for public office and the donations were solicited from the general public. The article mentions a $10 check written by an elderly lady from West Phoenix that bounced. Joe was willing to take her last dime. Shameful.; February 20, 2010 at 12:24 PM

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